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In saying that, this upcoming election may not bring good results either regardless of who is put in office. Things are just so far down the drain it will take years of hard work on everyone's part to get it back right. And I just don't think the average American is willing to work with their neighbors hard enough or long enough to make that happen. There is not a app for fixen the country for the Iphone 6 so it would be to much for most to take part in.
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I hope my chatroom chums from last night will have a read
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It's old news now,but this clip highlights some of things so very wrong with the EU and what it has become....(from a British standpoint)
The sort of country I fear we may be becoming, when people are conned into thinking that all our ills are caused by immigrants from the EU.
But the ills are caused by the EU...we're out now,,but not for long...Scotland will go for independence if they get it,there will be a referendum for England/Reformed UK(Wales,England,NI,Gibraltar)to rejoin the EU ...So I think people in general need to do some research about political due process before getting all bent up about democracy is wrong cuz the vote didn't go my way..
And the Brits have always been racist,nothing new....people fear what they don't understand...
I'm also not sure that I agree with your assertion that "the Brits have always been racist", but I hope you agree that this poster appeals to the WORST in human nature, rather than the best:
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And that photoshop is bad.... what a twat Farage is..
Britain is set to go to the polls in an historic referendum on whether the country should remain a member of the European Union or leave.
Polling stations are open between 07:00 BST and 22:00 BST.
An estimated 46,499,537 people are entitled to take part in the vote - a record number for a UK election.
It is only the third nationwide referendum in UK history and comes after a four-month battle for votes between the Leave and Remain campaigns.
The EU is just another American idea from the Bilderberg Group(google these people they control everything)
America's largest companies are harboring more than $2.1 trillion in profits overseas to avoid paying taxes stateside, a report showed. The accumulated profits, if repatriated from places that include Bermuda, Ireland, Luxembourg and the Netherlands, would amount to an estimated $620 billion in U.S. tax revenue.
The study, which was conducted through two left-leaning nonprofit organizations and reported by Reuters, was able to calculate those figures by reviewing Securities and Exchange Commission filings from the companies. Around three-quarters of Fortune 500 companies take advantage of tax havens abroad.
The names on the list are, of course, recognizable to many. At the top was Apple, which has $181.1 billion. Microsoft holds $108.3 billion offshore in five tax havens, and Pfizer has $74 billion in 151 tax havens. General Electric has around $119 billion overseas in 18 overseas tax havens.
If companies paid the correct tax where the operate,the working man shouldn't get shafted....but those rich fuckers don't want that...they need another 200 million bucks to buy a fucking yacht..
Or would the Bildebergers intervene again?
Cameron went to the EU to tell them enough is enough about the immigration,and the EU Said tough shit you signed up to all the rules not just some ,you have to take them....so I will be labelled as anti Europe Racist,bollocks,I am anti dumb fucks who WE didn't vote for...
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Why do think people really voted to leave,it wasn't about immigration,it was about the right of the UK people to make the decisions that affect their country....most people have made it about immigration....I looked at all the information I could before taking my vote....not just one issue,,,,but as I keep repeating,,,we didn't vote for the people who make the laws in the EU ,they are selected by other EU no names...
Plus, you haven't addressed my points about collective action to stop tax-dodging.
Cameron's a fool. He set an immigration target/aspiration that we all knew he couldn't meet. The immigration card has, on a lot of fronts, been a thin cover for latent xenophobia. Just FYI: I've not called you anything, especially not a racist, because I think you're a good guy on the whole.
We DO vote for MEPs, we do vote for a Government that has representation at the Council of Ministers. It's a flawed democracy but (in my opinion)no more flawed than our bicameral parliamentary democracy (with it's archaic overlay of theocracy). 27% of the UK electorate voted Conservative but we have a Conservative MAJORITY government - equally undemocratic, or not?
I'll give you that the EU needs more transparency, more accountability to the electorate, and a rowing back from Federalism. But now the UK will have zero influence in helping make that happen. If you come back with "It's unreformable", I think that's a pessimistic view of the impact that the 5th largest global economy has in Europe.
There can be no collective action to stop tax dodging when the rich control the tax laws..
So look at the trade agreement between the EU and the States( ttip) one size fits all...
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And my real point about the Bilderberg group is, have a google....you simply cannot find out what this group really does unless you use the deep web...so it was more a point about who are these fuckers and why when they have a meeting the country where it's held foots quite a lot of the security bill.....why ?
I don't think that Brexit will enable people in this country to more effectively make the decisions that affect the UK. We've been sold a pig in a poke. Boris, Gove, Farage et al are NOT the saviours they claim to be. Read "The Conquest of Bread" by Kropotkin if you want an alternative view of how society can be run.
That may well be your "real point" when you refer to the Bildeberg Group but when you assert that "The EU is just another American idea from the Bilderberg Group" (your exact words again) you do sound like someone from the tinfoil hat brigade.
lolI'm basically saying get as much information as possible from all sources..Just I mentioned it(Bilderberg),doesn't mean I follow/believe what the conspiracy is..
The wealthy have no intention of helping a government to take more tax from them...so yes it's pessismistic but my view.
And Farage is dick,he's married to a German...gotta wonder what his real priority is,politics or celebrity..
Boris is a chump like Gove...they all are...there are very few working class politicians if any,by that I mean state schooled,and they are out of touch with the realities of the real world....
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Alex Jones is funny...he should show the proof behind what he says....until people do that people will dismiss any conspiracy theory as crackpot...proof is the key to what they do,so I take it as I find it...there's an ex BBC guy who talks about the same type of 'EURO' theory..Tony Gosling I think his name is...
I believe that, as a thoughtful individual, you weighed up the evidence and voted according to your conscience and ideological views. So did I.
Sadly, I think that a proportion of the electorate have been hoodwinked. We have already had Farage admitting that the money saved from leaving the EU will NOT all go to the NHs, and Nigel Evans admitting (sort of) that immigration may not actually fall as a result of Brexit. A lot of, perhaps less well-informed, voters went for Brexit PRECISELY because they thought that was the deal. In a parliamentary democracy I think we should steer clear of referenda as much as possible, particularly when they are carried out for Party political purposes rather than because of a big constitutional paradigm shift.
And conspiracy is just that,conspiracy...making connections without proof..
I never thought the vote would be in favour of leaving,just because of the way the vote was expected to go...but that's what happens when you ask the people,they decide...politicians seem to forget they are the representives of their people,they think they are the rulers...more people are now politically aware and started to take an interest in the way their lives are run..
You make your points well (most of the time!!) lol
It could be an interesting few years to come in UK politics, that's for sure!
So that's one of the simplest reasons I can give without going into the abyss of tedium...
Frankly, it sounds like my fellow Brits have been sniffing glue or their tinfoil hats have fallen off.
But the EU takes a massive amount of input from the people involved in that group...or do you still read the mainstream media ? pmsl....
So did you vote with a pencil ? I prefer a bra on my head btw,any size will do...
Brexit Voter Complains Police Called To Polling Station After She Lends Out Pen To Stop Government Rigging The EU Referendum
Almost half of all Leave voters believe it is ‘probably true’ the outcome is rigged.
A popular conspiracy theory suggests the government will rig the result by rubbing out Brexit votes made in pencil
A pro-Brexit voter has complained about police being called after she offered to lend her pen to people to prevent the government rigging the result of today’s EU referendum.
Almost half - 46% - of all Leave voters believe it is “probably true” that the outcome is pre-determined.
One popular conspiracy theory that has reemerged is that the government will attempt to rig the result by rubbing out Brexit votes that are made using a pencil. The fear has inspired the #usepens hashtag on Twitter.
Polling stations have pencils not pens on hand for voters to cast their ballots with.
Jacqueline Jackson, who describes herself as “100% Ukip” and an “islamophobe with good reason” because the religion is “evil”, tweeted the complaint today.
Jackson tells the police officer: “I was asked to come here and hold dogs today and offer people the use of a pen because there are only pencils in the polling station.”
The officer replies: “That’s the same for all polling stations, there aren’t pens.”
And the conversation ends amicably.
One local council has encouraged voters to use the pencils provided to make sure their vote is counted properly.
A YouGov poll asked people about “some things that people have said about the EU referendum campaign”. Including:
“It is likely that the EU referendum will be rigged.”
Almost half - 46% - of all Leave voters say this is the case, contrast to 11% of those supporting Remain. Regardless of voting preference, 28% subscribe to the “rigged” hypothesis.
“MI5 is working with the UK government to try and stop Britain leaving the EU.”
Some 28% of Leave backers suspect pro-EU involvement of the **** services, while 16% of the Remain vote are wary of ‘spooks’.
“The BBC and ITN are not commissioning an exit poll in order to allow the vote to be fixed without anyone telling.”
Around a third of Leave voters - 36% - back the suggestion that broadcasters are deliberately meddling with the outcome. It’s 10% among Remain-ers.
“There are plans for further EU integration and enlargement that the EU are deliberately not announcing till after the referendum.”
Three-quarters of Leavers - 75% - are convinced of the plot, compared to 25% who will be voting for ‘In’.
Brexit Voter Complains Police Called To Polling Station After She Lends Out Pen To Stop Government Rigging The EU Referendum
And voting marking with pencil is stupid,how can you trust a voting system like that...that's why people are using pens...
21st century and we're using pencils to cast a vote...
Every racist has a "good" excuse for their racism. That doesn't actually mean that they are right. No matter how they try to justify it.
Talk about "trivial".
"l also don't believe in bringing sharia law".
There's nothing to believe or not here. These kind of "laws" are provably shit and unacceptable. The closest ally of the US has sharia law and is practicing it, including stoning, but is never condemned.
All Blacks won too....
50 people dead in a gay club.
The gunman's father says the shooting has nothing to do with his religion (islam) but that it was triggered because he saw a gay couple kissing.
Really? And who taught him to be intolerant to gay people other than his parents and religion? His religion doesn't even allow men to hold hands with women. If not terrorism, it's intolerance that poisoned this guy's brains.
But you're right.
Deterring crime is only partially possible. But the hanging,firing squad and so forth would end the problems of each crook as they come along.That would help slow down the revolving door of the justice system.
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