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Started by tecsan [Ignore] 16,May,22 02:01  other posts
Until it involves abortion...Besides the fact that the end of Roe V Wade would not end it in many states...I agree with B. Clinton abortion should be rare...

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By tecsan [Ignore] 19,Oct,22 00:34 other posts 
Let us talk about the ignorance of the democraps.
By #610414 19,Oct,22 11:01
Why? Don't you have enough on your plate with the ignorance of the Repuckers and their band of traitorous insurrectionist led by a traitor president? 😈
By tecsan [Ignore] 19,Oct,22 21:43 other posts 
What is leading us now, a dementia ridden hair sniffing fart. Insurrection my ass, we can all see what is going on there.
By #610414 19,Oct,22 22:08
And yet you refuse to acknowledge the truth. There’s no one so blind as he that refuses to see. With one we have to change his diaper. With the other we have to loose our democratic way of life. I’ll take the diaper change any day.
By tecsan [Ignore] 20,Oct,22 00:25 other posts 
I will have to pass on the diaper changing. Rather take my chances with what worked.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 20,Oct,22 06:31 other posts 
It didn't work. Trump left the US in a massive crisis. Just like Bush did.
The Rep POTUS fucks up the country and the next Dem POTUS gets blamed.
History keeps repeating itself.
By tecsan [Ignore] 20,Oct,22 23:14 other posts 
No one could fuck up this Country more than mr magoo.
By #610414 20,Oct,22 08:11
Oh, you want Obama back. 👍😈
By tecsan [Ignore] 21,Oct,22 23:42 other posts 
To be honest, B Clinton was better than obummer's terror? WTF?
I think a local highschool janitor would be better than mr magoo.
By #610414 22,Oct,22 08:01
We'll see
By phart [Ignore] 22,Oct,22 19:02 other posts 
yea, my dad summed it up a couple weeks ago when he said, "I miss obama, at least he had some clue,


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 21,Sep,22 07:08 other posts 
Let's talk about Banned Books Week 2022....
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2532 book bans in one school year, impacting 1684 individual books.
It affected more than 4 million students.
The worst offenders were Texas, Florida and Tennessee.
The bans are targeting authors of color and LGBTQ or books
that have main characters of those demographics.
Why are these book bans not a violation of the First Amendment?
By phart [Ignore] 21,Sep,22 15:34 other posts 
YOu can't scream fire in a theater unless there is 1.
You shouldn't be coaxing kids into that lbbtq stuff because they are to young to understand.
under 21,you can't drink,under 18,you can't vote,under 16 you can't drive,under 16 you can't married.But at 4 you can change your sex? Yea right.
when they turn 18,they can go to the dr and learn their options and arrange payments.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 21,Sep,22 16:37 other posts 
Who says there is LGBTQ stuff in the books? Show it!
They are books by LGBTQ writers. And some have LGBTQ characters.
Who says the books say you can change your sex? Show it!
You only have a point if there is explicit sex in the books. Is there?
You are the one who feels the need to defend violations of the First Amendment.
It's a fact that books are banned. Prove that it's justified.

By the way, the government should not meddle in those things. They should just abide by the first amendment and let teachers decide at what age children have the mental capacity to understand that different people exist.

Also, some books are reportedly from black authors or there are black characters in it. Are the poor fragile little children hurt by the knowledge that black people exist?
By phart [Ignore] 21,Sep,22 17:56 other posts 
PARENTS SHOULD DECIDE WHAT AGE, not teachers and sure as hell not politicians. And if the parents are found to be doing harmful things and teaching harmful things that prompt a child to question it's own body and mind, they are unfit groomers ,not parents.

You of all people understand that everyone can't control what happens ,that is why there is elected officials, to do our bidding. Some do right ,most do wrong. I commend those officials that see the potential for harmful wording and influences on our young people .They are actually doing the job we ask of them. it is those pacifist that ignore the hazards, anything goes, anything happens ,no one is responsible types that piss me off.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 22,Sep,22 16:19 other posts 
"sure as hell not politicians" THAT'S WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE!!!

Accusing teachers of grooming is filthy right-wing propaganda.

Yes teachers should decide, because that's how a modern three branches government executes the law. Public schools funded with tax dollars, should
respect the law and the law says 'free speech'.
Parents can decide what children read at home, not in school.

Schools are the last bastion of defense against ignorance and fascism
and I hope secular/liberal people will fight you hard over it.
By tecsan [Ignore] 05,Oct,22 01:47 other posts 
Ananas2xlekker, a little ironic here. but really, a teacher should decide what children are taught, including values and the crap about mental age. Who the heck decides what should be taught?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 05,Oct,22 03:20 other posts 
Apparently, you think THE GOVERNMENT?
Who decides which movies children can see?
Stop conflating age restriction with censorship.
By phart [Ignore] 05,Oct,22 15:19 other posts 
you don't seem to mind the government regulating cow farts ,why suddenly is it ok for them to regulate education?
If a youngan under 18 does something stupid or gets sick or something, the parents are considered legally responsible for the debts and to provide shelter and food and clothing and such. So why suddenly do the liberals want to take responsibility for what they are taught in school?.

The government should make sure the students are taught history, math, english and home economics. When a student graduates from high school they should have a good idea of what it cost to run a household, how to clean house ,how to spell and how to add and subtract.
Teaching kids that men can have babies and cow farts pollute does nothing benefit the country or the student.
If a kid does not feel comfortable in his own skin, he must need counseling or some medicine. Not being coddled into something that is life changing before he is able to truly understand.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 05,Oct,22 15:57 other posts 
Where in the constitution is the government prohibited to prevent environmental pollution and regulate the means of production to prevent harm to nature and humanity?
The government is also allowed to regulate education. The government would be allowed to appoint an independent organization to decide on scientific basis what content is not appropriate for children and assign age restrictions.
That is not what they are doing. The are BANNING books, from authors of specific race and sexual orientation, for all ages, based on politically and religiously motivations. That is a clear violation of the first amendment.

"Teaching kids that men can have babies and cow farts pollute does nothing benefit the country or the student."
In one sentence you are denying science on political motives and giving a stupid strawman about allowing children to know that transgender people exist.
In both cases you are demanding to keep the truth from children. And you are talking about coddling children? Just because you don't understand these topics, doesn't mean they are too difficult for the average 10 year old.
By tecsan [Ignore] 22,Sep,22 00:07 other posts 
Fuck, just read some of the banned books and tell me you would allow your ten year old to read them if you had one. Be real socialist guy.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 22,Sep,22 15:49 other posts 
Those are just hollow claims, because you have not checked.
And who says the books are only banned for elementary School?
Without evidence your defense is invalid, because the guilt of
violation of the first amendment is already apparent.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press;...."

Banning books of LGBTQ authors is 'respecting an establishment of religion'.
Freedom of speech! It doesn't matter who is capable of understanding.

If I had children, they would be allowed to read anything, while still respecting its
age restriction. Age restrictions are not determined by difficulty. The philosophy of Emmanuel Kant has no age restriction.

If they were just setting fair age restrictions by maturity standards, determined by
an impartial rating agency, I would not protest.

But they are not doing that, the conservative right-wing government is specifically banning books from colored authors and LGBTQ authors, because of bigotry and religious values. That's against your law. And it would be against the law of basically every (other) first world country. The US is slipping away man, slipping away.
By phart [Ignore] 22,Sep,22 19:22 other posts 
how is it religious to teach the basic facts, Male-female and so on? Biology is not religion, it is the very same thing, science , that not so long ago that liberals were trying to cram down our throats regards to covid .Trust the science, unless it is about biology ,then it is wrong.
These people that are writing books outside the social norms are considered a bad influence by people in power to make sure it does not affect our children.
By #610414 23,Sep,22 08:56
You are denying facts. Gays exist. Transgenders exist. Covid exists. You said it, " people in power". Not the law of the land.
It's a religious idea that LGBT us wrong.
Your argument of biology is nonsense. No one is suggesting people can biologically change their SEX. But just how people can be gay or lesbian, people can be transGENDER. It's in their nature and it most likely is biologically determined. They might look like one sex, but feel like the other sex. What you feel you are is called gender identity. You and me are just lucky that we were not born with our gender deviating from our sex. I call it 'lucky', because I'm really not jealous of the struggle they have to go through. You however want to make that struggle even harder, by maintaining and even strengthening the enormous stigma on it. You should have some more compassion, because their is a social stigma on disabled people too, especially in the US. It shows you are lacking imagination, when you cannot understand their challenges, while you are confronted with similar challenges. Why is it so hard for conservatives to imagine how someone suffers. It is really a character trait of conservatives to only understand what other people are going through, when they have experienced it themselves or someone really close to them is suffering.

It's a religiously inspired doctrine to fight people on their sexual preference or their identity.

"are considered a bad influence by people in power"
Exactly, that's the problem. And that's exactly why the First Amendment was written;
to prevent the people in power to decide what are 'bad influences'.
And when you agree with the people in power deciding what are 'bad influences',
you are showing that you either don't understand or disagree with the core principles of your own country. Or you are a hypocrite and you only support free speech for your own ideas, which means you don't support free speech at all.

By phart [Ignore] 26,Sep,22 14:03 other posts 
oops.
By phart [Ignore] 26,Sep,22 14:06 other posts 
A disability is something a person can not CHOOSE to live with.
Trying to change 1's sex to the other ,is something they can decide not to do.
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Could these high numbers not be related to the fact that a persons body goes thru alot of changes and perhaps,they jumped the gun so to speak?
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“If you are silent about your beliefs because you are worried someone will be offended, then your beliefs are not that important to you, but rather what people think about you is,” it read. “When you stand up for what’s right and true, you will receive both hate and love, but everyone will know what you are fighting for.”
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 27,Sep,22 04:54 other posts 
"A disability is something a person can not CHOOSE to live with."
Are you still saying that to gays and lesbians too?
"Just choose to repress and hide your nature all your life"?
Or have you progressed beyond those archaic beliefs,
at least for gays and lesbians?

There are a few people who end up regretting their choices.
That's why people get lots of help when they are thinking about their identity and that's why medical professionals don't do anything irreversible before the age of 18. And even then, it's very well considered whether people should take drastic measures. However, it's just propaganda, that makes you think that many transgenders end up regretting their decisions. It is not clear how many,
but estimates are ranging from less than 1% to as many as 8%.
In any case, my opinion is that it is better to make your own mistakes, than to be denied the freedom to make them. And I think you would agree on that principle,
but you might make an exception for just this issue. Ask yourself why.

People are not silent about their beliefs, but people are getting SILENCED.
People are writing books about their life and the challenges they faced.
Those books are banned, because politicians don't want children to know.
And it's not just books from transgenders, it's also books from black people.
That's worse. At least understand that people cannot chose their color.
Tell me why you would support banning their books.

If you think books of transgender people are harmful to children, you must think that it is possible to talk children into thinking they are transgender. I think that's nonsense. No one could have made me think I was really a girl, especially not by just reading about the concept. How strong are your beliefs that you are a man? People either have doubts about their identity or they have not. If they have, I think it's healthy for them to read about what others like them have experienced.
Do you really think it's more healthy for them to get their feelings suppressed?
By phart [Ignore] 27,Sep,22 11:51 other posts 
I firmly believe children and their still developing minds can be "trained" so to speak to think they are something they may not be. Power of suggestions goes along ways towards a childs thoughts as they are in a state of learning.
I firmly believe liberal parents are grooming their kids to be trans.Just as parents have groomed their kids to be in beauty pageants and sports for decaded. "You are going to play base ball" You are going to ballet" ,You are going to take piano lessons" , "you are not a boy,you are a girl,don't you like this pink dress".
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 05,Oct,22 03:32 other posts 
"I firmly believe liberal parents are grooming their kids to be trans"
I know you do, because you are 'groomed' to believe that.
It's bullshit! Why would any parent put their children through such pain,
unless the children are actually transgender?
Telling children what to do is a conservative mindset.
It's pure projection, that liberals would be telling their children
what to do and think, because that's what conservatives are doing.
Liberal parents give their children (some) choices. That way children
grow up capable of making choices and value freedom; liberty, liberal.
Conservatives don't like that and that's why 'liberal' is a curse to you.

Liberals actually listen to their children. And if they end up with a boy that likes playing with dolls, they might not rip it out of his little hands and give him a toy car and shout "Boys do not play with dolls!". In your mind, not doing that is grooming. If some boy keeps telling his parents that he is a girl, they might listen to him.
If they allow him to wear a pink dress, that's a really good test to see if he's serious, because his schoolmates will tear him apart for it.
When the now much older boy keeps telling, that he is a girl, at some point liberal parents might take him to a psychologist to determine if he's really transgender. And when a long process confirms they are really dealing with a transgender girl, at some point they might decide he/she can take puberty blockers. That's the maximum gender affirming care that is allowed by law up to the age of 18 and
that is sensible.

Everything else they are telling you are filthy lies. People like Matt Walsh are making lots of money, from telling you what you want to hear, so you can stand outside hospitals to protest against them 'mutilating children', which they are not doing. You have seen no evidence, except Matt Walsh playing some recording
of the right-wing trolls 'Libs of TikTok' speaking with 2 hospital receptionists who just try to transfer them to the right department at the children's hospital.
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Where are all those mutilated children? Can you present anything other than
just one or two transgenders who now are saying they regret THEIR decision?

But you are only happy when those kids are forced to shut up by their parents
or taken away by child services to be put with 'proper' conservative parents,
who beat those 'stupid ideas' out of them.
That's what you used to do. And when those children commit suicide, you think "Good, rid yourself and us of your stupid ideas."
Because you don't care about children, but just about your stupid ideas.
The idea that transgenders do not exist, but it's all parents who for some reason like changing boys into girls and girls into boys. Why exactly? For fun?

Grooming means one thing; preparing children for sexual abuse.
Republicans are using that term intentionally, as propaganda.
Just like you were told Russians eat children, during the cold war.
Republicans always need an enemy, because they have nothing else to offer.
Meanwhile it's many Republicans that get caught doing sexual abuse of children.
And you all still keep voting for these horrible pe.do.philes.
By tecsan [Ignore] 13,Oct,22 00:40 other posts 
More garbage from a socialist.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 13,Oct,22 07:39 other posts 
Argument: a reason or set of reasons given in support of an idea, action or theory.
By phart [Ignore] 13,Oct,22 10:15 other posts 
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I can't look at those pics,1 glance and I still remember it,so I didn't scroll down far enough
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 13,Oct,22 15:39 other posts 
Well, thanks for that. Why did I need to see these atrocities?
How does it relate to tecsan claiming LGBT rights are somehow socialist?
They're not, by the way, socialism is about sharing the benefits of production.
LGBT rights originate from humanist principles of freedom of the individual.
By phart [Ignore] 13,Oct,22 19:08 other posts 
Well, sadly sometimes reality has to be exposed.I am sorry for those pics,but you and others always say there no truth to republicans.
You accused republicans of using propaganda.
to quote,
"Just like you were told Russians eat children, during the cold war.
Republicans always need an enemy, because they have nothing else to offer."

It was fact, and I shared the sad proof.
NOT propaganda as you called it.
Republicans do have enemy's. Have you not noticed a war on conservative radio and tv news? BUT nothing is being done about the liberals lying and ruining peoples reputations?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 14,Oct,22 04:03 other posts 
It was in 1920, way before the cold war.
There was a horrible famine back then, not during the cold war.
Being forced to eat the dead, was not what the propaganda was claiming.
Republicans used such a horrible situation to paint Russians as cannibals.
That's propaganda, even if there is some truth in it.

Do we use such propaganda against Uruguay or it's Old Christians Club rugby union team?
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By tecsan [Ignore] 15,Oct,22 00:49 other posts 
Really, ananas2xlekker are you always going to fall back on the old dictionary for help. Come on man (you should recognize that phrase). Just state your beliefs, no dictionary necessary. As for backing your beliefs, time will only tell.
Transgenders are most likely biologically different from the cisgender males and females. When teachers teach biology, sex and gender are no subjects at all. However, sexual education is important and in those classes all biological differences between cisgender males and females are explained and that a minority of the population is intersex, because that IS biology.
Transgenderism cannot be explained with biology yet, so teachers should just explain the difference between sex and gender, that transgender people exist and what it means.

You want to teach children that some of their schoolmates are not socially acceptable. That's what they did in Germany too, many decades ago. At that time Americans fought against those ideas. You are renouncing the once American value of liberty, that many of your countrymen died for.
By phart [Ignore] 17,Oct,22 10:10 other posts 
This old bat calls the first responders to the 9-11 attacks "menaces".
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Now explain to me how a book that teaches kids to think that people willing to risk their lives by going into harms way to save their lives are menaces is a good thing? That book should be burned.
By tecsan [Ignore] 18,Oct,22 00:50 other posts 
Hell yes, I bet there is a libturd socialist out there that disagrees with us.
By phart [Ignore] 18,Oct,22 13:14 other posts 
I don't know, there are some that have a BIT of common sense left.
By tecsan [Ignore] 18,Oct,22 23:29 other posts 
Yes, I think the democrat party is going to split. Good news right.
By #610414 19,Oct,22 11:03
I think the Republicans will cease to exist as their current form.


By phart [Ignore] 05,Oct,22 15:11 other posts 
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You see people, what have we been trying to tell you? Men taping their dicks into their butt cracks and growing boobs are NOT WOMEN. They DO have a advantage. Further test will prove even moreso.


By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 19,Sep,22 11:55 other posts 
GOP Candidate Proposed Literal Death Panels On Abortion:
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By phart [Ignore] 19,Sep,22 13:18 other posts 
"You can’t say that you’re pro-life but one life is worth more than the other life."

uh what part of that quote is difficult to understand?
I see nothing wrong with a review panel of sorts being used on all mur,I mean abortions.

Who is to say a babys life isn't worth more than a crack head ,dead beat mothers that just wants to have it yanked out so she can go back to fucking and shooting up?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 21,Sep,22 07:16 other posts 
"You can’t say that you’re pro-life but one life is worth more than the other life."

That's a dodge, being 'pro-life' also means making a choice sometimes.
That's exactly what the proposed panel should determine;
what is the choice between the life of the mother and the life of the fetus.

I say, it's not up to some Death Panel, it's the choice of the woman about her own body.
And don't use stupid strawman arguments, because every choice has it's limits
and the current limits are already reasonable and justified.
By phart [Ignore] 21,Sep,22 15:31 other posts 
abortion takes a life.
the limits should be very strict. Not impossible because of the rapist and ****'s but strict
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 21,Sep,22 17:10 other posts 
Forcing a woman to care for a child she didn't want, takes a life too.
Having children takes your life away. If that's your choice, OK,
but to be forced to do that, not OK.

Now if you really care about preventing abortion, give the women you force
into giving birth of an unwanted child 100% certainty of easy adoption
and pay the women for the time, discomfort, lost income and hospital bills.
I have not heard any conservative talk about compensation for the lost rights.
By phart [Ignore] 21,Sep,22 17:52 other posts 
What lost rights?
Did someone magically cause her zipper undone?
Did someone deny her birth control?
Did someone deny her a exit from the situation?
In the case of r@pe and 1ncest,I understand the answer to be yes ,someone did, and that someone should be held accountable.
BUT in most cases, the woman allows the sex to happen ,and that is her right ,but decisions have consequences, like a baby as a result. Not the babies fault, but yet in abortion the baby pays the ultimate price.
I can't see any rights being taken at all with abortion bans or regulations.
I see rights being ABUSED by having the rights to a abortion by irresponsible women
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 22,Sep,22 15:23 other posts 
"What lost rights?"
The right of bodily autonomy! You know, what was really important to you,
when they wanted you to get a little shot, to fight a pandemic.
The consequences; a 1 in million chance of some harm.
The consequences of taking away women's bodily autonomy; labour,
giving birth, recovery, medical costs, lost income, the costs of taking care of a kid
and lost of worries for at least 18 years. And for what future? It's the US!

"Did someone magically cause her zipper undone?"
On average, there are 463,634 victims (age 12 or older) of r.a.p.e and sexual assault each year in the United States.
And even then, sometimes accidents happen. Having sex is not a reason to be forced into having kids.

"Did someone deny her birth control?"
Not yet, but your supreme court political hacks are thinking about it.

Did someone deny her a exit from the situation?
Same argument as before, see the 2nd and 3rd answers.

Well at least you approve for r@pe and 1ncest, but many states don't.

"BUT in most cases, the woman allows the sex to happen"
I fucking hope so! And I also hope they enjoy it, but with all those conservatives in the US, I fear many women are left unsatisfied, because misogynists don't care.

A 'baby' is a human that is living independently after birth. We are talking about zygotes and fetuses at a gestation before viability. It doesn't pay any price, when it is aborted, because it has no price yet. It only has the value that the woman puts onto it, because it is dependent on her body.

Women have the right to chose now, the right to bodily autonomy. A ban would take that right away. It is a right of self protection. You as a 2nd amendment defender should understand that.

Actually, I think everyone who takes care of a baby should receive payment.
Women have been doing unpaid work way too long, but at least it was by choice.
You are now taking that choice away and force women to take care of children.
Forcing people to do unpaid work is called SLAVERY.
By phart [Ignore] 05,Oct,22 10:20 other posts 
Why is it folks like you were not upset when it was mentioned part of obama care was a death panel? A group that would decide if it was ok to spend money on a person or not to save their lives?
liberals loved it then, but let a gop propose it for abortion and it is just terrible .hypocrisy again.
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Section 1233 of bill HR 3200 which would have paid physicians for providing voluntary counseling to Medicare patients about living wills, advance directives, and end-of-life care options.

Of course there are claims it was false,to make the gop look bad.and it was not included in the final bill. but liberals seem to forget they will get old to.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 05,Oct,22 10:57 other posts 
Because that was stupid nonsense. Health insurance does that for every claim.
If a health insurance thinks you are not worth their money, they don't pay.
But even they don't forbid you to have the surgery, by punishment of prison,
of the person getting the surgery and the doctor performing it.

However, it this case lawyers will have to decide whether the woman's life is in danger enough, to allow abortion. It wouldn't be up to the doctors, because Republicans created laws that would send a doctor to jail, when politicians do not agree with their assessment of danger to the mother. That's a death panel. And many women will die, while the death panel is considering whether she is in enough mortal danger to save
their lives, by means of abortion.

Aren't Republicans always talking about government overreach? This is it!


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