If Someone Asks You What Gaslighting Is… Show Them This Clip:
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OK, I didn't know it was local. It will probably stay a 'dream' to all of us.

Would they call it the McCrispy Italian in Italy?
If you want to irritate Italians, you claim that some non-Italian food is Italian.

There is a program on Dutch TV that investigate food and other consumer products.
They regularly investigate a product that is supposed to be Italian, like some packaged pasta Carbonara mix. Then they go to Italy to compared it to the real thing. It's always fun to see how it disgusts them and fills them with pity for what we are eating.
"Why would you do this, it is so easy to make yourself! Please, let me teach you!".

Joe Rogan is FINALLY realizing MAGA is a cult
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If this bonehead understands it, when do you?

You are right, if the US would have joined the fight, the Nazis
would probably have conquered all of Europe, and everyone
would be under fascist rule, probably still today.
And now you're supporting a fascist, who wants to do the same.

Do you think that the US did that out of your kind heart?
Your leaders don't want any powerful regime, besides your own.
The US didn't want Europe to have it's own military industrial complex, you wanted us to be weak and dependent on you, and make lots of money from selling us your weapons. That's what happened, and now your clown is lying to you and stabbing us in the back. I will do my very best to make Europe independent of the US and make your regime pay economically for its betrayal. It doesn't even require much effort, because Trump is destroying your country faster than we could ever hope to achieve. Americans are suffering, jobs are declining, AI will destroy the rest, and the greed of your billionaires will squeeze the life out of your economy. You will either fight them in a revolution, when you finally see the truth, or you will starve blaming the poor.

In Ukraine, you are not HELPING at all, you're just selling us weapons, that we donate to Ukraine, so Russia doesn't run them over.
We are doing that to prevent World War III. Let Putin win, and that's what we will have. Trump is doing his very best to let Putin win easy.
Give him that victory, and it will motivate the Russian people to keep fighting for him. Now they are suffering losses, defeat, humiliation and economic struggle. And because of Iran, Trump is removing sanctions on Russia, so they can sell oil again and replenish their war chest.

True, I cannot say that I ever really struggled. My father came from poverty though. His father died when he was 9 and his mother struggled to put food on the table. That's in a time that women were not supposed to work. The government paid her a widow's benefit. It was incredibly meager. Every now and then people from the governmnet came to their house to see if they were not too rich. They literally looked into the cooking pot what's for dinner. If they found out that you were making too much money on the side, they would take that benefit away. That's why my father raised me with awareness of poverty. We were not rich either. My father has always been a low educated electrical mechanic. He maximized his income by buying a house, instead of renting. Besides food, education, and 1 car vacation per year, we wore very cheap clothes, and much that we got was second hand. I learned the value
of money and the challenges of not having much of it. I see what was available to my father, by working hard, which is no longer possible for low educated working class people today. That's why I'm a socialist.

Every single socialist that I've ever met, has a background of lower middle class and either struggling themselves or moving upward to middle class or upper middle class. Every right-winger I have ever met, ether grew up upper middle class or rich, to not understand the exploitation of the working class. If they didn't, they bought into the lie that poor people don't work hard enough.
Your brain has been melted by propaganda to think that way.
That's why you're imagining this exactly upside down.
That's why you are supporting a billionaire, who is cutting taxes for other billionaires and taking away benefits from the poor and working class.

It's right-wingers who don't understand what poverty comes from.
How can you shit on people who struggle, if you struggled yourself?
I have seen struggles, even though my parents did their very best.
That's what motivated me to get educated; so I can struggle less.
And while I'm doing well, I don't forget the struggles that I escaped.
Tell me about your hard days then?

"This is between me and her" when you are a dick to her.
Then don't involve me, when she is a dick to you.

Well, it just doesn't include Jeffrey Epstein's former neighborhood,
or they would obviously have voted for a Republican again.
They gotta protect themselves.

The McCrispy Italian looks good. If my girlfriend wouldn't get violently sick from eating
at McDonald's, we would have probably tried it already. There is soy in almost all their food.
I'm not going alone.

So, try it, and tell me how good it was.

You are stupid for supporting a president who is colluding with the worst enemy that the free world ever had, and has stolen land from, and committed horrible
war crimes against, a country that wants to join the free world, so they will never be dominated, massacred and starved by that enemy ever again.

It's possible that you are brainwashed enough to not see it,
but there is a more logical reason; you don't like a free world.
You prefer an autocracy or maybe even a theocracy.
You want to dominate everyone who doesn't share your worldview.
Because there are more people who disagree with you, than
who agree with you, you support Trump taking away democracy,
so your worldview dominates the majority who hates it.
That's your idea of 'unity'. You have admitted as much.

You are evil, and you are trying to justify it with pseudo-religious bullshit.
You're much worse than people who support authoritarianism openly.
At least that's honest and transparent.

Clinton saying that he 'saw nothing' and 'did nothing wrong' related to Jeffrey Epstein is not exonerating Trump. How would he what Trump did, every time
he wasn't there?
It's like you are saying: "O.J. Simpson isn't guilty, because Clinton didn't see him kill his wife!".

The view more liberal than NBC? You gotto be joking man, Sara Haines is a Moderate, Alyssa Farah Griffin is a Republican and Ana Navarro is a Republican. Just because they hate Trump, doesn't make them liberals. There are many hard-line conservatives who hate Trump, because Trump is not. Being a conservative is not the same as being an authoritarian. Just because you identify as both, doesn't mean that there aren't many conservatives who care about Rule-of-law, Constitutional protections of citizens and even criminals, personal ethics, democratic norms, free elections, actual fiscal discipline, actual free trade, actual politics and policies instead of a president enforcing his daily brain-farts, personal freedoms (“Don’t tread on me.”), strong alliances, NATO, and a firm anti-Russia stance. Some conservatives actually care about all the principles that you once advocated for, but you have completely forsaken, in the service of Trump.

Many libertarians also hate Trump, because Trump isn't a libertarian, but an autocrat. Whoopi Goldberg definitely has some liberal and woke tendencies,
but she gets it wrong more often than she get's it right. She's not dumb, but she's very much uninformed. To me, that's very irresponsible, for someone who is part of a discussion group that many people watch. It's a disservice.

Trump himself is on audio recordings saying that his falling out with Epstein was because: “He stole people that worked for me.”
“He took people out of the spa… I told him don’t do it anymore.”
When asked about Virginia Giuffre: “Yeah… he stole her.”
Explain why he would say that, if he didn't know what was going on.
Would he use the term 'stealing', if he thought Epstein offered them a better job?
She worked as a spa or locker room attendant. That's a high turnover job.
Leisure and hospitality employee turnover can exceed 70–80% annually.

What Trump supposedly said to Clinton is completely irrelevant.
Trump is known for contradicting himself, seconds later, all the time.
His strategy has always been; lie and confuse people as much as possible,
so they can never catch him on anything he ever said, and they can pick and chose the things he is saying that they like. And now his brain is turning to mush more and more, he's not even capable of remembering his lies, so they are becoming even more chaotic than before.

Multiple accounts (including legal filings and witness statements) indicate Trump and Epstein were still socially connected into the early 2000s.
Widely reported evidence indicates Epstein was banned from Mar-a-Lago around 2007. That’s years after the period when the “poaching employees” issue would have occurred (late 1990s / early 2000s).
After Epstein’s criminal investigation became public (mid-2000s), Trump appears to have distanced himself more clearly. There’s little credible evidence of a relationship after that period.
That means that Trump did NOT stop being friends with Epstein because of his behavior, but because he got into TROUBLE for it. He ADMIRED the behavior.

So, you joined the bullying, because you see her as the opposition.

Why would you doubt that. Anyone can do it.

If there was, it wouldn't be blackmail anymore, now ain't it?

Show me where Bill Clinton said that about Trump.
How would he know? Clinton hasn't been on the Island.

Just as an experiment, I asked ChatGPT:
"If Trump was an Russian agent, or blackmailed to help Russia, would he be able
to help Russia more than he did, without raising suspicions?"

Here is the conclusion of ChatGPT's answer:

✅ Implications
If Trump were acting as a Russian agent or under blackmail:
His actions are about as much as he could safely do.
Anything more substantial would have been too visible and politically risky.
If Trump were acting independently:
Same actions can be explained by personal ideology (anti-intervention,
admiration for strong leaders) or political strategy.

Conclusion: The pattern of behavior is consistent with both scenarios, but the constraints show that “he couldn’t have helped Russia much more covertly”
without getting caught.

The US never had to, but NATO was your idea.
It was a time that you cared about having allies.
Now your only allies are countries that are holding your president hostage
with blackmail. The Epstein files are probably tame in comparison.

Your president raped little girls and you keep supporting him.
Russia and Israel have damning evidence, so Trump is doing their bidding.
It's a logical deduction from everything that is happening.

She is a liberal?

I think they are alright today; Democrat Emily Gregory won a Florida special election, flipping a state legislative district that includes Trump's Mar-a-Lago home.
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There's a reason to that; your president is incredibly dangerous
and harmful to peace, truth, freedom and the survival of humanity.

If you don't want to discuss anything, why do you react?
This is not a sex topic. Why are you here?

I did not start the politics discussions on this website.
This was going on long before I joined in.
I have the same right to be here as you have.

You just only accept ignorant right-wing bullshit here,
that's why your angry at me. You're a snowflake.

It might be a shock to you, but I'm actually trying to convince you
or at least some other people reading along.

That's me treating you like a human being, who is able to change his mind.

Do you think that parroting limpydick is a good argument?
C'mon, you are much smarter than that guy.

The forums here were already talking about mostly other topics than
sex and porn, before I made one comment. You only use that argument,
if you don't like the opinions.

The topics that discuss sex are actually quite boring; there is not much interaction. Someone posts a photo or a comment, and it gets hardly any traction. Do you get any excitement or entertainment from it?

Maybe you're not seeing it, but this website does provide something good;
a wide variety of topics to discuss ideas with people who disagree.
Twitter never offered this and now it's X, it's completely fucked.
I would join Truth Social, but I rather see it die, than giving hundreds of MAGA a reason to be there. You might think that you're looking for a right-wing safe space, but that's no fun at all. I have seen forums like that, it's just a contest of who can say the most atrocious shit. After someone won, saying something that would make Hitler blush, there is nothing to say anymore. In other words; you should be happy I'm here, providing you
an enemy.

It's the title of the clip.
Why do you think it's one or the other?
People can communicate opinions in a funny way.
Whether it is his opinion or just jokes, the result is the same.
Some of his jokes contain actual philosophical arguments, refuting religion.
Which doesn't take a lot, because the philosophical arguments that support religion
have been destroyed a million times over.

There are only 2 arguments for religion that actually make any sense:
- Some people are unable to be decent people, without the threat of hell.
- It's possible that a consciousness started the universe.
If the existing religions were actually any good, those would be decent arguments
to join one. The problem is that they all expect people to believe nonsense.

Jim Jefferies DESTROYS Religion for 12 min
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'The absolute irony!' James O'Brien on coverage of Trump's attacks on the BBC
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They could easily sue Trump for defamation.
He was actually lying to hurt their reputation.

No, you're the one who used it as a fallacy, because you don't want to engage with the actual substance. People on this forum bring race into a discussion much more than I do, and I have never seen you make a point of that.

You are generalizing ALL Muslims in the group of Islamic terrorists, which is actual prejudice. I was generalizing all white men as not Islamic terrorists, which might be a too hasty assumption, because there were even some white men who joined ISIS, but it is not a NEGATIVE generalization. You just wanted to accuse me of something you were doing yourself, which is called the “tu quoque” fallacy.

I only see one side purposefully misconstrue Bible verses all the time,
and that's the right-wing, especially in the US. You are obviously sensitive
to this obvious truth, so you want to dodge and deflect.

The core ethical and moral message of Jesus is Feeding the poor, Caring for the sick, Serving the vulnerable and Welcoming the stranger. Your politics
has completely corrupted that message.

If you look at the core ethical and moral message of the Quran,
it is very similar:
- Care for the poor and vulnerable (zakat and sadaqah)
- Justice and fairness (Surah An-Nisa)
- Compassion and mercy
- Serving society and promoting welfare
- Welcoming the stranger / inclusion
Their politics just did exactly what you politics did; completely corrupt it.
The powerful always change the message into something that serves THEM.

The only reason for them turning to terrorism, is because they have been fucked by Western civilization for their oil, over and over and over again. Israel stealing land from the Palestinians didn't help them like us either.

The 'same shit'? Ever heard a president say that he wants to run for a third term? What would your side have said, when Obama would have even suggested that?

Trump had accused Obama of going to attack Iran, to boost his votes. Now Trump did that, without providing any reason upfront and without asking permission from congress (see below). Bush put you in a horrible war with Iraq for bullshit reasons, but at least he had the courtesy to make up lies about weapons of mass destruction and repeat them for weeks, to try to get people's consent. Not Trump, of course,
he just grabs you by the military, without anyone asking for it.

Still think that this war will be over soon? If so, what goal will be reached?

Your presidents actions put other countries in way more risk than the US. The fucker didn't discuss it with anyone, just did what he wanted, correction; what Netanyahu wanted. Then he has the nerve to demand help, and says that he will remember if we don't. We will remember YOU throwing the world in utter chaos again, picking such a dumb fuck for a president. He is now threatening to bomb the Iranians' power plants to rubble. Wasn't this a war to help the Iranian citizens? Killing their children and destroying their livelihoods is not helping.
It will send millions of refugees to Europe.
Just like what happened with all your other wars.
If that happens AGAIN, WE WILL NEVER FORGET!!!

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US Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 11:
“The Congress shall have Power To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;”

Bullshit, black people are just as Christian in your country, actually MORE.

"Alleged"? When you have a preacher shouting that Trump, your least Christian president EVER, is the second coming of Christ, that's 'Christian nationalism'.

You're also adding nothing that supports who those "false prophets" are.
So let me do that. The Gospel of Matthew 7:15 is part of Sermon on the Mount.
In Matthew 7:16–20, Jesus says you will know them “by their fruits.”
Do their teachings produce honesty, compassion, humility?
Or do they lead to fear, manipulation, division, or harm?

“By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.”

Good tree → good fruit: A person with true goodness, faith, or righteousness
will naturally produce good actions and positive outcomes.
Bad tree → bad fruit: A person with corrupt motives, hypocrisy, or evil will produce harmful or immoral actions, no matter what they say.

Everything Trump does and everything that your type of 'Christians' support
is leading to fear, manipulation, division, and harm for the normal Americans and for more wealth for the wealthy.
Everything that James Talarico supports boils down to honesty, compassion and humility. Honesty while facing "Christian" hypocrites, compassion towards normal Americans and people who want to become normal Americans, and humility by saying that Christianity is ALL about how you treat OTHER people.

How has your side been treating OTHER people lately? Just a few examples:
- Trump stopped lunches in schools for children of poor parents.
- Trump let 30,000 tons of food for crisis areas rot in the harbor.
- Trump cat billions of Aids aid for Africa.
- Trump cut pediatric cancer research, already going to children with cancer.
- Trump's cuts will make 12 million people lose health coverage.
- Trump is taking SNAP away from millions of poor families.
- Trump's FEMA cuts will affect many people who are suffering from a disaster.
For no reason other than to please his wealthy friends.

Not everything in the New Testament are the words of Jesus.
I went to a Christian school, with ACTUAL Christians,
I know the difference between Christian love and "Christian" HATE.
It's basically just propaganda to benefit the wealthy and let the poor suffer.

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And he probably doesn't even qualify for the definition of 'Christian nationalism', he's just your standard greedy Christian hypocrite, melting people's brains.

I don't need an answer, I would just like you to think about this.

How about your president openly shitting on the 22nd Amendment then?

Section 1.
No person shall be elected to the office of the President more than twice, and no person who has held the office of President, or acted as President, for more than two years of a term to which some other person was elected President shall be elected to the office of the President more than once. But this Article shall not apply to any person holding the office of President when this Article was proposed by the Congress, and shall not prevent any person who may be holding the office of President, or acting as President, during the term within which this Article becomes operative from holding the office of President or acting as President during the remainder of such term.

Just an example.

He's even shitting on the 2nd, probably the only one you know.

If you go point by point, JFK was only slightly to the right of Zohran Mamdani.
The US just moved so much to the right, that a Democrat of 1960 is now a socialist.

Funny how it's the ONE GUY who you accused of mental illness,
who now supports you the most, and betrayed his voters.
If a Republican did that to you, I would confirm the betrayal.

When Trump calls Democrats "Socialists, communists, Marxists, fascists!", what does he actually mean? Does he understand that he is accusing them of promoting the entire spectrum of politics and economics?

Paradoxically, the ideals that communism should be based on, Marxism, is the exact opposite of what communism often resulted in. The political/economic system that ever approached Marxism the closest is Democratic Socialism. It's people who value equality and democracy. Fascism is the exact opposite; it's a political ideology that is built on division and authoritarianism, exactly what Trump is using. That's why liberals and leftists are accurate when they call Trump a fascist. No liberal or lefty has ever called Trump a 'Marxist' or 'socialist', because they know it to be dumb. However, calling him a 'communist' is at least in the same quadrant. Trump and Kim Jong Un exchanged beautiful love letters.
That's because they are more alike than most people realize.

To Trump, these terms are just verbal hammer words. He doesn't know the meaning or he doesn't care. They do the job, because his followers don't know the meaning or don't care.
Maybe they should care, because it makes it very easy to call them dumb.

You had nothing to do with ANY OF THAT, but you just joined in.
There was no reason for you to do that, besides herd mentality.
So, she treated you like the herd.

Oh, back to that again?
No, you voted for Trump because you are a traitor.
Actual Americans care about the Constitution.

I don't vote for representatives who quote from Mein Kampf,
you did.

Are you denying that Jesus was all about feeding the poor, caring for the sick, serving the vulnerable and being welcome to the stranger?

What you are doing is making a claim, but then not justifying the claim,
but calling him a liar and then quoting Bible verses that talk about liars.
You could do the same for everyone who calls themself a Christian
and says their inspiration comes from the Bible.
The question is: what is actually consistent with the message of Jesus?

Why don't you actually present Bible verses that contradict James Talarico?
And I'm not talking about old testament verses, I'm talking about the words
of Jesus himself (supposedly).

I'm NOT denying that Islamic terrorism is a scourge on the world and that they are the most fanatical in service of their ideology. What I am saying is that the basis of the religion is not more horrible than the basis of Christianity. In fact, they would have an easier time using the Bible to justify their extremism, than the Quran. It only requires people to ignore everything that Jesus said, but you have just demonstrated how easy that is.

The statistics don't lie, it's the people who interpret them.
Your country has a violence problem to begin with. We had 1 terrorist attack in the last 10 years; one guy who killed 4 people in a tram. It was called a terrorist attack, because the man was Muslim. He also had a long history of psychological issues. However, in 2011, Tristan van der Vlis killed 7 people and wounded 17.
He was a non-religious crazy person, so that was not called a terrorist attack.
I do agree that it's easier to BECOME crazy, with help from a violent ideology.
The chart I posted in 2021 shows that in your country, right-wing terrorism overshadows all other terrorism. If you don't understand how your right-wing ideology is a violent ideology, it's YOU who has blinders on.



I didn't say that it was "Christians alone" and I challenge you to find one lefty who said that, ever. Today’s secularist Leftists are protesting peacefully. Even the attacks on your president or famous right-wingers are not the actual lefties that you are saying they are. Most of them are born into your sick gun culture though.
That's how I explain most of your mass shootings. You put guns in the hands of children, before they understand death. I see guys here who demonstrate a craving for someone to break into their house so they can kill the robber.
Every far-right politician makes ads with a big gun shooting stuff and addressing their hate towards some other group of people. You suffer from a cult of violence. That cult is attracting anyone, believers and non-believers alike. If they have a pre-disposition towards violence, the cult lures them in.
There are also always crazy people. The worse the mental healthcare of a country gets, the more untreated crazy people are walking around. Combine that with almost unrestricted availability of guns, and you get the result that you are familiar with, and I'm not. It's very simple, but most American right-wingers chose to reject simple truths. You can reduce the unrestricted availability of guns or improve your mental healthcare, and you might have less mass shootings. Doing neither means that you accept those mass shootings. It saddens me, but I don't have to live in your country. If you think that it would restrict your freedom too much, or that mental healthcare would be too expensive, then you vote Republican.

Indeed, it wasn't, Muslims didn't even exist back then.
The city was named after the Greek Alexander the Great, who conquered Egypt
in 332 BCE, a Greek ruling class was established there, and Greek culture
became dominant in many urban centers, especially Alexandria.

However, the Islamic Golden Age was deeply influenced by Greek science, philosophy, and medicine. Islamic scholars translated key Greek texts into Arabic, especially from Aristotle, Plato, Galen, Hippocrates, Ptolemy, and others.
Centers like the House of Wisdom in Baghdad became hubs for translating, studying, and expanding on Greek knowledge.
Mathematics, astronomy, medicine, and philosophy from Greek sources
were adopted, critiqued, and advanced. The Islamic world actually continued where Greece stagnated, because Greece was under Byzantine Rule (the Eastern Roman Empire). Compared to the Islamic world, Byzantine scientific output was limited. Greece was preserving Greek culture, but most scientific innovation had moved to the Islamic world, where scholars were actively studying, critiquing,
and expanding on ancient Greek knowledge.

The Byzantine Empire was Christian, and it squashed Greek science.
The religion they had before that was Polytheistic, worshiping gods like Zeus, Athena, Apollo, and Poseidon. Apparently that religion was more conducive to science and enlightenment, than Christianity was. So was Islam at that time.
Obviously, Romans did pretty well in science before they turned to Christianity.
Not to say that there were no Christian scientists, but they often had to fear
for their lives if they challenged doctrines. It slowed down progress a lot.
I think it's fair to say that Christianity slowed down science and enlightenment,
for the longest period of all major religions in our history.

How did Biden shit all over every country that used to be your ally?
Do you ever THINK, before you say something?

You are only capable of talking about the thing that's living inside your brain
at that very moment, I see. How is this an answer to what I was saying?

But don't be stupid man, we are far from defenseless.
Iran is far weaker than Russia, and I don't think Russia could even conquer Europe. They could however be stupid enough to try, if Ukraine goes well for them, causing a lot of damage and a lot of young people to die. Russia has never cared the slightest about sending their young people to die for the glory of the empire, we do. That's why we need to help Ukraine defend itself to the best of their ability. It will prevent Russia to be motivated to attack NATO (with the US or without). Iran doing the same isn't making
the slightest bit of sense.

Europe spends $450+ billion/year on defense, Iran $10–15 billion/year.
Europe has 2–3 million+ military personnel, Iran: ~600,000.
Europe has ~20,000+ aircraft, advanced stealth jets, aircraft carriers, nuclear submarines, Iran has less than 1,000 aircraft (many outdated) no aircraft carriers.
They can do a lot of damage with their Shahed drones, but they have no capability
of conquering any modern country. Germany alone could fend them off easily.
Understand that the attacking force has a HUGE disadvantage.

That 24/7 fear-mongering of your media melted your mind.
Is there any point when you think: "OK, what I said now wasn't that smart."?

The only power that would be able to conquer Europe, besides the US, is China.
They have almost indefinite people and a huge manufacturing capability.
And what is the US doing? Telling China that it's OK to attack other countries. Thanks!

"There are good Jews and there are bad Jews."
If religion is supposed to give people morality, it's clearly
not working.

"Trump is bad to you because the media told you he is bad."
Actually, they don't, they tell me what he's doing, and I decide
that's bad. Unlike the US, we actually have objective media.

You should dislike him more than I do, if you actually want UNITY,
because he's the most divisive person to gain power in decades.
He is cozying up to your former mortal enemies and alienating all your alliances. It's going to hurt your country more than it will mine.

I don't care about unity, I care about cooperation.
People can agree to disagree and work together to benefit all.
I'm attacking your ideology, because it's a threat to cooperation.
I think that's pretty clear from Trump's actions, if you're not a cultist.

Well, you're doing a piss-poor job of showing you're right.
That's not creating the unity you're after.

I was very clear about that; I want them to be free.
But being DEAD is worse than having a tyrannical government.
Living in absolute chaos is worse than a tyrannical government too.
Every time the US meddled in other countries, it became worse for the citizens. I wish you would learn from it and stopped doing it,
or at least got better at it.

To commit a crime, you need Motive, Means and Opportunity.
The Motive they have; check.
Means? They have a decent amount of weapons and personnel, but nowhere near enough to destroy Israel and America. Even if they get a nuke, or a shitload of them, using them would be absolute suicide. The US would vaporize all of them, minutes later.
That's the lack of Opportunity. A criminal is not going to attempt his crime, if the police will catch him immediately.

Why did Russia never nuke you? Did they like you more than Iran?
NO, they hated you just as much, but they didn't want to be destroyed.

You not understanding that means you were not taught to reason, at all.

"They are already taking over Europe." Any more bullshit?

"Trump Turns to Migrant Workers Amid Farm Labor Crisis"
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Why the fuck did he first kidnap all of them and deport them to Al Salvador?
WHAT THE FUCK!

That's not what I'm seeing.
There are many Christians going back to pre-enlightenment ideologies.

There are now several high ranked military officers preaching END TIMES!!!
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This is their belief:

1) Holy War / Moral Purge – Many Christian nationalists interpret global or domestic conflict as a “holy war” against perceived ungodly forces. This could involve literal or metaphorical battles, often framed as a defense of Christian values.

2) Rise of a Righteous Leader – They often envision a divinely appointed leader (sometimes equated with a modern “king” or U.S. president) who will restore Christian order and enforce God’s law.

3) Persecution of the Faithful / Tribulation – Following initial conflict, believers expect a period of intense trials or persecution, echoing the biblical Tribulation. This can include oppression by secular governments, anti-Christian legislation, or societal collapse.

4) Apocalyptic Signs – Natural disasters, wars, plagues, or astronomical events are seen as signs that the end is near. Many interpret modern geopolitical or environmental crises as fulfilling prophecy.

5) Defeat of Evil / Armageddon – The final confrontation between forces of good and evil, often framed as a literal battle, sometimes associated with the biblical Armageddon.

6) Millennial or Kingdom Era – After evil is vanquished, Christ or a divinely sanctioned ruler is believed to establish a godly reign on Earth—sometimes imagined as a Christian-dominated society or government.

7) Final Judgment – The ultimate end, where the faithful are rewarded and the wicked punished, consistent with traditional Christian eschatology.

For the Jews who tag along with these Christian nationalist ideology;
in step 2 they start the PURGE of the Holy Land, not from Muslims,
but from Jews.
"This is when anti-Semitic interpretations appear most prominently. Some narratives portray a “global persecution” where Israel or Jewish populations
are attacked or coerced as part of the unfolding apocalyptic events. In these views, the “purge” from the Holy Land or the suffering of Jews is part of fulfilling prophecy about trials before the Messiah or the final battle."


I also prefer to live in a Christian society over a Muslim one, or at least as we know them today. We’ve been spoiled by 250 years of liberalism, but currently,
our rights are under attack more than at any time in the last 80 years.

Better start paying attention, because they won't leave you alone for long.

And that's how it started...

Oh, an 'ACTUAL' Christian!?! Someone who's ideals come from Jesus?
I can only think of one in the US; James Talarico.
"Faith calls me to act for others, especially those who are struggling or underserved"
"feed the hungry, care for the sick, and serve the vulnerable";
I don't see many Christians in the US 'ACTUALLY' support that.
But I agree; 'ACTUAL' Christians don't pose much of a threat.
"Turning the other cheek" pretty much rules them out.

At least, if you are not doing financial businesses at 'the temple'.
Maybe look into the financial businesses of your 'temples'?
Christian nationalists are spreading blasphemy, for money from the wealthy.

How about an 'ACTUAL' Muslim?

What a strange argument for calling someone a racist. Racism means treating people unfairly, because of their race or perceived racial characteristics.
Was I treating someone unfairly, for excluding white men as possible Islamic terrorists? Well, I apologize to that white male Islamic terrorist, who ever he may be.

True, some white men are Muslim (1%–1.2%), but how many that 50%-66% are white (male) Islamic terrorists? I assure you, far less than 0.1%.

Here's the self identified religions of mass shooters:
Christian: 40–50%
Atheist/Agnostic/No Religion: 15–25%
Other religions (Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, etc.): 5–10%
Unknown/Undocumented: 20–40%

About the 5–10% other religions: Before you start about me saying that you have
far less than 1% that it's an Islamic terrorist, you don't call the 40–50% Christians
"Christian terrorists". Only when there is a good reason to assume that the religion was the reason for the mass shooting, do we call it religious terrorism.

So you agree that religion is mostly a tool to them.
The same applies to your 'leaders'.

That's what enemies do, they proclaim their hatred towards their enemies.
And yes, you do it too, but not in the exact same way.
Your words might have been softer, but your threats were stronger.
Republican war hawks have been wanting to "Bomb Iran!" for decades.

Netanyahu has been advocating for war with Iran for roughly 30+ years.
He has been saying "Iran is months a way from having nukes!" for decades.

Iran was NOT in the slightest responsible for 9/11. 9/11 was carried out by al-Qaeda. Iran and al-Qaeda are enemies.

Iran = Shia Islamist state
Hezbollah = Shia Islamist militants

Saudi Arabia = Sunni Islam (Salafi/Wahhabi)
al-Qaeda = Sunni extremist terrorists (Salafi-jihadist)
Hamas = Sunni Islamist militants (origin Muslim Brotherhood)

If you don't know these very important facts, people can make you believe nonsense.
al-Qaeda, led by Osama bin Laden, is funded by individual Saudi nationals.
The 9/11 hijackers were mostly Saudi nationals. NOT IRAN!
Saudi Arabia are your presidents' best friends, because they make lots of money from oil and selling weapons to them. That's why they want you to blame Iran.

USS Cole bombing (2000): al-Qaeda again. NOT IRAN!

October 7th: Hamas. Indeed funded by Iran. The difference is that Hamas is not anti-Shia, like al-Qaeda, which is very anti-Shia (often considers Shia “heretics”). Hamas is no friend to Iran, but they oppose Israel; “The enemy of my enemy is my friend.”.

This is 100% the truth. Go investigate for yourself.

Summary, because you are having trouble understanding basic stuff:
9/11: al-Qaeda, NOT Iran
USS Cole bombing (2000): al-Qaeda, NOT Iran
October 7th: Hamas, funded and armed by Iran

October 7th didn't come from thin air, it was a reaction to what Israel has been doing to the Palestinians for decades. It was fucking horrible, but it was one day of absolute horror as a response to decades of tedious and deliberate torment, in a process intended to take the remaining land from Palestinians. It's a huge military, funded by the strongest military in the world, vs a few radicalized citizens with guns and rockets. That's an unfair fight, and the only respons remaining is 'Guerrilla warfare', which is called 'terrorism' by the powerful enemy. The alternative is being ethnically cleansed in peaceful protest, while the world watches.

You're a mindless puppet, for never accepting anything that is verifiably true,
when it doesn't fit your narrative.

You were clearly mistaken about 9/11 and the USS Cole bombing and everyone
can check for themselves and see. You cannot and will not show me to be wrong
on even one verifiable fact. You're being weak and lazy.

Whenever you want to demonize an enemy, you think up horrible shit they do to babies. You have done it about Russia for decades. Then your president is best friends with them, because it's the only country that still lent him money for his
failing businesses, and you forget decades of hatred in one day and support
their war crimes.

Sure, I agree, since Al-Ghazali they have been stuck in the middle ages.
But it still means that the basis for their religion isn't worse than the basis
of Christianity. Christianity was stuck in the dark ages for 1600 years.
The West only went somewhere when we entered the “Enlightenment Age”.
I would say that the basis of Christianity was worse.
That's a 1th century philosophy that has no place in modern western society.

It's not just his bone spurs that Trump lowered the standards of the presidency with,
it's literally everything about the man. His persona wouldn't be acceptable for a ball players, actors, or any other role models. Sure, possibly for a criminal, but people would shy away from him, if he had any more respectability to keep up than a rapper.

I think it would be a scandal if a rapper called a female journalist 'piggy'.
That's just a small example of the thousands I could give.
Before Trump, it was considered not presidential to wear a tan suit.

Did they call him "vermin" and "scum"?
Dit they call his voters "the enemy within"?

The chance of getting killed by an Islamic terrorist in my country, is lower than the chance of getting hit by lightning.
When YOU get shot, you have far less than 1% that it's an Islamic terrorist.
If you are the victim of a mass shooting, it's 50% - 66% likely to be a white man.

I'm definitely an 'infidel'. I knew the term.
There are 6 billion 'infidels' on this Earth. We'll be OK.

Headlines are politically and commercially motivated.
Politically: They are how politicians and supporters achieve their goals.
Commercially: They are how media companies attract eyeballs.

The US has attacked the most other countries, of all countries in the world.

According to the Congressional Research Service, the United States has carried out about 469 military interventions abroad since 1798. That's a clear #1 ranking.
#2: France with well over 100 campaigns or wars in the same period.
#3: Russia / Soviet Union: 30–40 major external interventions
#4: Germany: around 20–25 major invasions or wars
Muslim countries don't even make it to the list.

Why we fear Muslims so, is because that religion is able to motivate people to do suicide attacks the most. That installs fear in people. However, if you look at the deaths it causes, it's not even close. Jihadist terrorism has killed roughly 200,000
to 400,000 people in the last few decades. Before that, it hardly existed.

Jihadism isn't just a religion, it's a political ideology, just like fascism and communism. Those ideologies become lethal when leaders and movements turn them into absolute truths, promise a utopian future, identify enemies blocking that future, and mobilize followers or state power to eliminate those enemies. There is a difference though, while Islam and communism are not inherently violent, fascism is unique in that violence and domination are central to its ideology.

On pure death rates, Germany is the absolute record holder.

Germany:
World War II alone caused ~70–85 million deaths worldwide.
World War I caused ~15–20 million deaths.
Together: ~85–100 million deaths linked to wars Germany helped start.

Russia / USSR:
Russian Civil War: ~7–12 million deaths
Soviet invasion of Afghanistan: ~1–2 million deaths
Huge share of casualties in World War II (tens of millions)
Total across major conflicts: tens of millions.

United States:
Major wars involving the U.S. include:
Vietnam War: ~2–3 million deaths
Korean War: ~2–3 million deaths
Iraq War: hundreds of thousands (low estimate)
War in Afghanistan: ~170,000+ deaths
Combined wars involving the U.S.: several million deaths.

France:
Algerian War: ~300,000–1 million deaths
First Indochina War: ~400,000–1 million deaths
Total: hundreds of thousands to a few million.

If Islam was inherently evil, there would have never been an Islamic Golden Age, roughly from the 8th to 14th century (≈750–1258 CE), though some scholars extend it to the 15th century. The core period was generally more peaceful than much of contemporary Europe, enabling intellectual and economic growth. Cities like Baghdad, Córdoba, and Cairo became safe havens for scholars, traders, and artists.
Scholars and thinkers enjoyed a moderate degree of intellectual freedom.
Non-Muslims (Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians) often held important positions in administration and science. They offered a far greater religious tolerance than the Christian countries of that period. The Islamic Golden Age was one of exceptional scientific, cultural, and economic achievement. It's why we use Arabic numerals, Algebra is an Arabic word, many stars have Arabic names, why so many Greek, Persian, and Indian texts were preserved and why urbanization, agriculture, and industry thrived, spreading innovations widely.

Which is the same for everyone else on this planet.

No, Trump did not release the files, Congress did.
The U.S. House of Representatives passed the Epstein Files Transparency Act on November 18, 2025 with a vote of:
427 — Yes
1 — No
5 — Not voting
Senate: Unanimous approval
It would have been a MASSIVE scandal if Trump hadn't signed it.

The president (Biden) doesn't have the power to release files like that.
It required a law, and Congress passed a law forcing it.

Not enough people cared about it when Biden was president.
It only got enough attention when Epstein got suicided.

What did it start with then?

"Was CAT ever kicked off the site?" I think she was once. Not sure.

No, we are definitely very different in our opinions.

I'm not talking about the verification where people check your verification button, but the verification where you have to present an ID. Maybe I would be able to fake that, but I'm not interested. I don't care to post naked pictures anymore.

If you want to convince people, reaching into their hearts as you say it, is the strongest strategy. And indeed that takes empathy. You're making sense there.

My behavior is very much dependent on how someone else approaches me. Act civil, and I act civil back. I don't even carry a grudge.
I'm not in it to hurt you, my goal is to reach you. Sometimes shock treatment works.
"My purpose here is to develop unity." But, not in the middle, right?

Some of it is copy/paste, but propaganda means that it isn't true and intended to deceive you. I assure you that I'm never trying to deceive. I can be wrong, but I don't want to lie. Lying is a sign of weakness. Lying means that you think that the truth is bad. I'm very much convinced that my ideology doesn't need lying about, because I base it on human value and human rights. How can that be bad for any human?

I don't think Trump is hated because he goes against the agendas of both parties, I think he's hated because he CHEATS and he disrespects all norms that America ever felt proud about. That hurts liberals and conservatives alike.

"Who do you think pays for the media?" The wealthy and corporations.
"This is a very corrupt country" You're catching on.
Your country literally legalized bribery.

Faith is based on telling yourself that something is true, on lacking evidence. If you had an abundance of evidence, you would need faith, because that's just reasoning. The first thing that should make you doubt faith is that almost everyone takes on the faith of people who surround them. Live in the US, you become a Christian, unless you grow up in a Jewish family or you make friends with Jewish people. There are rarely any Christians born in Nepal. There are no Jewish people born in China.

I'm not going to apologize for her. What do you want? I see her getting attacked from all sides, and she is biting back. There are no limits on the other side, so I don't put limits on her. It's apparently absolute free speech here, which means that discrimination and Antisemitism are allowed. I cannot find anything prohibiting it in the Terms of Use either. You're still here too, so you're allowed. It might be liberating, lets see where it goes.
If you don't like discrimination and Antisemitism, will you denounce people from your side of politics too, when they are being racist as fuck?

"You say there is no sense of decency anymore saying just because one person acts one way" No, many more than one.

This site can be anything to you that you want it to be.
If you care about empathy, you could probably stop this shit fight.
They will never listen to me, because I'm the enemy.

Do you want Iran to be in absolute chaos or do you want Iranian people to be free? What I see is the first as a goal. I don't agree with that. If Trump however succeeds in actually bringing stability, peace and freedom to Iran, I would want to bring him the Nobel Peace Prize myself. However, I see Trump hinting at nukes, and if he does that,
I hope there is a hell for him to burn in.