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Started by #610414 [Ignore] 14,May,20 02:51
NEW STUFF, OLD STUFF, ANY STUFF. POST WHAT YOU LIKE, ASK WHAT YOU LIKE, LEAVE MSGS HERE. PLEASE BE CIVIL. IF YOU ARE GOING TO BITCH, DO IT WITH SOME CLASS. IF YOU LIKE WHAT'S WRITTEN,COMMENT. IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU SEE, COMMENT. ALL I ASK IS PROOF.

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By #610414 24,Oct,22 10:24
Phart you left a comment on one of my posts:

"you and I are at odds on 90+% of every subject discussed.
But I not agree with making a mockery of a veteran of our military.
This is a bit much and this is of 1 of those things that should be apologized for and simply made gone."

CAT
Thank you for caring.
By phart [Ignore] 24,Oct,22 13:52 other posts 
Well I will be the first to admit I have laughed until I choked reading the "saggy granny" tails but the things said about your dad, I can't go that far.


By #610414 24,Oct,22 08:14
I've been called crazy again:

"And I stand by assertion, you're a WACK-JOB! "

🤣🤣😈😈
By phart [Ignore] 24,Oct,22 10:05 other posts 
You're crazee!
So there!
By #610414 24,Oct,22 10:37


By #610414 05,Sep,22 08:47
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Liz Truss set to become new UK Conservative prime minister
By SYLVIA HUI and DANICA KIRKA
By phart [Ignore] 05,Sep,22 12:15 other posts 
Truss was selected by about 172,000 grassroots members of the Conservative Party. That figure represents less than 1% of the U.K.'s 67 million population.

Wow,1% of britan gets to decide who rules it.

I don't know what she will be able to do about energy cost, because britan doesn't have it's own resource's.
only thing they have is plenty of fog and rain.
By #610414 05,Sep,22 13:36
They were the only ones that could vote. Because the Conservatives have a majority in Parliament, it really was a vote for the leadership of that party and only about 175,000 registered voters are registered as Conservatives.
By phart [Ignore] 06,Sep,22 10:56 other posts 
I am curious how she will fix the energy cost.
Raise taxes and use the money to send checks to the citizens to help offset the cost?
By #610414 06,Sep,22 11:43
She's determined to lower taxes. That, of course, is what every politician says. We'll see
By #666999 07,Sep,22 16:19
She won't. From what we hear she will kick the can down the road and hope for the best. She's inept to the extent that you, phart, are a pretty good intellectual match for her. Check out her YouTube videos regarding pork markets and importing cheese. The woman's a lightweight who wouldn't recognise a Laffer curve if one shat on her.

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By phart [Ignore] 07,Sep,22 22:25 other posts 
And she is conservative? Damn,I would h@te to see the UK's idea of a liberal.
If you see a liberal in the UK,don't remove it's headphones,it will stop breathing.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 08,Sep,22 05:55 other posts 
Is she not stupid enough for you?
Don't worry, British conservatives only APPEAR more sane.

During the debates, she was asked "I'm sure in the face of nuclear war, you would push the button, even though it would mean global annihilation. How would you FEEL about doing that?".
She answered "I'm ready to do it!".
Interviewer: "I asked how it would make you feel!"
Liz Truss: "I'm ready to do it!".
SHE COULDN'T EVEN FIND ANY FEELINGS ABOUT ENDING THE WORLD!
I'm sure she is a psychopath, but she could have at least pretended to care.

And the stupid crowd clapped and cheered.
'Hooray, she's ready to end the world!'

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What can she do. Lower the energy taxes that are 5% in the UK?
Wouldn't help much when the prices are 4x higher than before.

Conservatives don't do any fixing. Do you expect her to raise taxes on the wealthy to help people pay for energy? I would be very surprised.
She's a conservative and wants to cut taxes for the wealthy.

What she should do is accelerate the built of wind farms.
Besides plenty of fog and rain, the UK has plenty of wind.
That doesn't solve the problem completely, but it helps a lot.
The first signs don't look good:
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By phart [Ignore] 22,Oct,22 19:05 other posts 
The needs of the majority outway the needs of the few.
The majority of us being 1's that use fossil fuels.
The few,being the greenies and their electric roller skates.

Nothing wrong with working on the windmills, go for it,but in the mean time,people need energy.period.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 24,Oct,22 05:13 other posts 
That's a creative spin on the Spock quote, but it doesn't hold water.
People don't have a need to use fossil fuels, just like people don't have a need for horse&carriage. People have a need for personal transportation, electricity and keeping their house at a comfortable temperature. Alternative can meet that need.

People do however have a need for food, water, shelter and safety.
All those needs are at risk in the future, from climate change.
And that's not 'the few', that's everyone.
The need for survival outweighs the need for business as usual.

By the way, I was correct about Liz Truss. She tried to sell the idea that you can alleviate inflation with tax-cuts for the rich and no one bought it, not even big investors and banks. She crashed the value of the pound and created massive increases in rent and mortgage payments. She increased inflation massively.
And her popularity dropped to the level of Putin. People are learning.
By #610414 24,Oct,22 07:39
Let's hope their memory is good, too
By phart [Ignore] 24,Oct,22 10:08 other posts 
the alternatives you are talking about takes eons to implement, the needs are NOW,

By the way, I wonder if the new guy will run Britain like the hindu's run motels in the US, on a shoe string, with cracked walls,and sinks and mattress'es laying around in the parking lot?
In the US, if the president gets impeached, the vice president becomes president.
Do you think that is more democratic?
By #610414 22,Oct,22 16:09
Not by a long shot, but, it's an anachronism that would be hard to get rid of. The proper assention should be The Speaker of the House and not the President of the Senate as it is now.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 24,Oct,22 05:40 other posts 
The proper succession would be the candidate who wins in a new general election.
That would however give the opposition even more false motives for impeachment.
I would say that democracy is not always favored by more voting.
The limits on what a president, a prime minister or a party is allowed to do should be determined and upheld by the law.
By #610414 24,Oct,22 07:52
Government by the people and for the people involves people. That, Sir, can slow the process of Utopia by eons.
--------------------------------------- added after 16 minutes

Also, by the law of the land, presidential elections are held at certain times only. We don't have the luxury of calling for a general election.


By leopoldij [Ignore] 07,Oct,22 14:38 other posts 
This is how white Americans treated Native Americans until quite recently.

They're sick. They exterminated them and, up until recently, kept behaving to them as if they were hyenas.

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Sacheen Littlefeather, actor and activist who declined Marlon Brando’s Oscar, dies aged 75.

Marlon Brando won the best actor Oscar in 1973 for his role in the Godfather but did not attend the ceremony, protesting in support of Indigenous rights. Littlefeather appeared at the event on Brando’s behalf. She declined to accept the award and gave a short speech explaining the actor’s refusal was due, in part, to “the treatment of American Indians today by the film industry … and on television, in movie reruns.”

Littlefeather, then 26, was booed; she later alleged that actor John Wayne had to be held back by security guards backstage from assaulting her. Other individuals backstage reportedly made offensive gestures. She was blacklisted by Hollywood after the ceremony.
By phart [Ignore] 07,Oct,22 15:02 other posts 
You left out what Wayne said
"According to Entertainment Weekly, late actor Wayne previously said of Littlefeather's speech, "If [Brando] had something to say, he should have appeared that night and stated his views instead of taking some little unknown girl and dressing her up in an Indian outfit."S

I agree 100% with what he said.
Marlon must have been a big pussy to not have the balls to go stand on the stage and turn down the award himself.

And you got that Eliabeth warren claiming to be a Indian, and had a woping 1% Indian blood. Hell I am at least 1/8 or a bit more myself.
And there are no gates around the reservations. no one is forcing them to stay.

I will admit 100% that many years ago on up until recent times Indians have not been treated well. But sadly, most of those people are dead, the 1's that miss treated them are dead. So nothing can be done but LEARN from the mistakes made and not repeat them.
By #610414 08,Oct,22 11:12
Why should I be amazed to your reaction to the Duke's reaction to the Brando/Littlefeather protest. To you, what he said was more important than the gist of the protest. You seem to do this with most, if not all, protests. Floyd should have not been there. Martin should not have worn a hoodie. The Venezuelans should have had work offered in Martha's Vineyard.
By phart [Ignore] 08,Oct,22 18:20 other posts 
Johns words are just as valid as the Indian girls words.
Besides,the real point is, Marlon brando should have grown a set and said how he felt HIMSELF.
By phart [Ignore] 22,Oct,22 20:22 other posts 
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Little feather was a MEXICAN! Not even a fucking American Indian. Her own family is explaining it in this link.
"It is a fraud," Cruz said. "It's disgusting to the heritage of the tribal people. And it's just ... insulting to my parents."
By phart [Ignore] 23,Oct,22 09:00 other posts 
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"White Mountain Apache tribal officials told The Chronicle that they found no record of either Littlefeather or her family members ever being enrolled in the White Mountain Apache."

This makes me wonder,how many other idols of the liberals are frauds?
By leopoldij [Ignore] 23,Oct,22 09:47 other posts 
Maybe the particular case was a construct.
However, this doesn't change the fact that Europeans (English, French, Spanish, Portuguese) and, later, Americans committed some of the worst genocides in the whole of human history with consequences that torture people even nowadays. And all that was done in the name of gods (religion is used to make excuse for wars).

From 1500 to this day isn't a long time, compared to human history, but it's never late to recognize the genocides and injustices and educate people to feel the responsibility for the atrocities of their ancestors.
By phart [Ignore] 23,Oct,22 10:32 other posts 
There is no denying the miss treatment of the Indians that were here before all the rest of us.
BUT there is no way to fix the past, only not repeat it.
The Cherakee were sent on the Trail of Tears. That may be why i can't trace my ancestry back very far on that side.
By #610414 23,Oct,22 11:22
Leo, I believe the American attrocities perpetrated on Native Americans by white Americans was more of a financial reason than theological (land grabbing)
By #610414 23,Oct,22 11:14
Let's start with John (The Duke) Wayne. Was he a real cowboy in real life?

"He played a cowboy really well, that’s what actors do. But he was never anything like a cowboy. He went to college and was a frat boy. He was well-read and enjoyed chess and intellectual discussion. He was never known to be a violent man.Duke Morrison was an actor. John Wayne was not just a stage name, it was the character he invented for the movies. That character played a damn good cowboy. But Duke was a damned successful actor."

Weather Little Feather was Native American or not was not the point. The point was that Native Americans have been seriously mistreated by Europeans and discriminated by the film industry up to that time.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 23,Oct,22 15:13 other posts 
《[Whether] Little Feather was Native American or not was not the point. The point was that Native Americans have been seriously mistreated by Europeans and discriminated by the film industry up to that time.》

Very well said. That was my point to. You expressed it more precisely and eloquently than me.


By #672017 22,Oct,22 20:54
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"this year the deficit fell by $1.4 trillion — the largest one-year drop in American history"

But sure, some people expect Republicans to "save" the economy.

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"If we calculate the average annual real GDP growth in the United States under Democratic and Republican presidents going back to 1947, the economy grew one percentage point faster on average under Democratic than Republican presidents.

Now, a legitimate counterpoint might be that the last two major economic crises — the global financial crisis (GFC) of 2008 and the COVID-19 crisis of 2020 — occurred under Republican presidents. So what happens if we filter our sample, eliminating the two crises and halt our analysis in 2006? The difference in real GDP growth . . . grows even larger."
By #610414 23,Oct,22 08:55


By #610414 22,Oct,22 16:32
Jon Stewart Calls Out US Hypocrisy of Right-to-Work State Policies ‘Devastating the Working Class'
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"The last few decades of globalization allowed corporations to scour the planet for the cheapest labor and loosest regulations, devastating the working class. Capital is mobile and workers less. So entire industries packed up and abandoned the communities that built them,"
"The auto industry left Michigan and Ohio for Mexico and China. Textile companies left North Carolina for Sri Lanka, Taiwan and Vietnam. And heavy machinery manufacturer, Caterpillar, shipped jobs from Illinois to… wait. What? Texas?!"
Texas Governor Greg Abbott answered the question in the simplest form: "We have low taxes, reasonable regulations, right-to-work laws. As China is to America, Texas is to Illinois."
The US Tax System ‘Broken': ‘Bad Uncle Sam' Keeps ‘Reaching His Dirty Little Paw Down Our Pants'
"Now, if you don’t speak business euphemism, says John Steward, allow me to translate what the governor said: Low tax means less money to spend on infrastructure, reasonable regulations mean ‘you weren’t using that finger, that you lost, anyway' and right to work means weak unions — which means companies can get away with lower pay and fewer benefits. And they do."

CAT
Corporations are not pro-USA or pro-employees. They are pro-corporations and f...k everyone else.👿
By phart [Ignore] 22,Oct,22 18:51 other posts 
You or him 1 has it so fucking backwards. More Texans are PROVIDING FOR THEMSELVES now due to the jobs Caterpillar brought them. Unlike the textile industry that did leave our state to go overseas,that employed NO Americans.

Would you rather all the people in texas be unemployed to?
As for regulations, common sense and osha are Plenty enough regulations. You don't need any more government involvement in jobs.
By #610414 23,Oct,22 08:54
What about the people in Illinois? I guess you don't see the point of the article.
Corporations are not pro-USA or pro-employees. They are pro-corporations and f...k everyone Else.
That is the point. At least Caterpillar didn't leave the US. Whoopee, what about all those employees whose life was thrown into major turmoil? I don't think I have it " fucking backwards". There are TWO wrongs here. Caterpillar's greed is one. Texas government's anti-worker's rights is the second. The worst and the most dishonest is "This is a right-to-work state" it makes it sound as a boon to workers when, in reality, it's a way to styfle union participation.👿


By #610414 22,Sep,22 09:32
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DEV01, Phart, DJS, Ananas2xLekker, Andthisisme, Kebmo, Leopoldij, some others.............and me. What have we became? In a tribute thread dedicated to a person that, right or wrong, made such an impact on the world, we bring petty politics into it.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 22,Sep,22 09:50 other posts 
The debate is precisely about the "right or wrong"
(and who defines these terms?)
and the tacit assumption that the monarch, whichever monarch, is a god-like figure and the head of an empire.
By #610414 22,Sep,22 10:11
I'm not again THAT discussion. I'm saying it doesn't belong in a thread created to wish someone RIP
By leopoldij [Ignore] 22,Sep,22 10:13 other posts 
That's absolutely right.
Well pointed out.--------------------------------------- added after 2 minutesBut we're defective humans, you see. We love to be right, we love to be smart, we love to be better than others, we love to say we're right and they're wrong, we love to hide our mistakes and crimes.
We're nasty.
By #610414 22,Sep,22 10:23
I would be the last person to argue that point. If my Charlie decided to beat my ass every time I get nasty, I would not have one.😈
By leopoldij [Ignore] 22,Sep,22 10:52 other posts 
Ha ha
Well, consider me spanked.
By #610414 22,Sep,22 17:30
😈🤣
By phart [Ignore] 22,Sep,22 13:44 other posts 
Well there is a flip side to this coin.
Just because some of us talked about the politics of the mess does not mean we mean any disrespect to the dead.
The Queen was a mechanic in the military. Not many women took that role during those times. She was a good person and did her job.
The question is ,in modern times, what is the job of a "queen" or a "king"? They have a parliament to govern.
What is Billionaire charley going to do with 2 billion dollars that was just dumped on him?
He had a beautiful wife ,Dianna, and cheated on her like a sorry ass redneck bastard. And I still believe to this day he was behind her death.But with his money, and influence, he got away scott free.
That should show the world the quality of person he is.

And 1 of the straws that broke this camels back was for at least 2 fucking weeks it was difficult to even get a weather forcast off the tv for all the media coverage of the people marching and falling around her casket.
Put the poor woman to rest.
400 secret service to protect our so called president bidet since he was to damn goody 2shoes to ride in the bus with the rest of the people invited. Wants all of us to cram onto a amtrak rail car like the jews in nazi germany but he has to ride in his limo. Sorry no good asshole.
By phart [Ignore] 22,Sep,22 13:59 other posts 
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This should give you a indication of how the world views the US now. Way back from the front.

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Race is still a issue with the monarchy.
You're right, the political discussion would have been more appropriate in another topic. Apologies again.

Still, there must have been a lot of political tension, either about her life, her death, what she represented or her funeral, because no one got into a political tirade over the RIP topic for Olivia Newton John and not even about the RIP topic for Nichelle Nichols, who in her time was considered controversial.
By #610414 22,Sep,22 17:35
I remember the 1960s English tv shows dealing with MI5 In colonial Africa. I remember The Falklands war, I remember Diana. All during her reign. I also know of her numerous charities along with the rest of the monarchy's charity. This lady came on the scene with Hank Williams and exited with ????? Get the picture?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 23,Sep,22 17:32 other posts 
Sounds like the UK has not been getting much positive coverage in American media. It's not much different in my country. Especially when the UK left the EU, it was a daily dose of frustration. They wanted to exit and keep all their nice benefits, but without the downsides, while the EU wanted to make it hard on them and didn't want them to have their cake and eat it too. At that time we didn't see much difference between the leaders of the UK and Trump. Boris Johnson is often compared to Trump. Besides the looks, he has the same narcissism. However, Boris is smarter and has a less repulsive personality. If it wasn't for his bad idea's, I might even miss him.
Now the tories have voted in Liz Truss. What a boring, depressing cunt!
Well it might be good for the labor party, because no one will vote for her,
because they like her humor and charm.
If the labor party could only find a leader with more charisma than a hairy scrotum...
By #610414 23,Sep,22 20:05
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 22,Oct,22 13:59 other posts 
The boring, depressing cunt is out.
By #610414 24,Sep,22 07:57
This is a report found in
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on why the UK left the EU

Membership of the European Union wasn’t delivering
The data showed that there had been enormous variations in attitudes towards the European Union over the last decade. The big picture is that people supported membership if they felt that it was delivering what they wanted – a prosperous economy, protection against crime and terrorism, control over immigration and efficient public services. If they did not feel that membership helped to deliver these things, or worse still prevented the British government from delivering them they opposed membership. Many of the latter felt ‘left behind’ by changes in society and the economy.
Britain’s failure to effectively recover from the worst recession for over 70 years (200 coloured the whole backdrop of the referendum, leaving many people feeling discontented and unrepresented.
The collapse of power in the Middle East The protests, demonstrations, riots, coups and civil wars that began in 2010 across the Middle East and North Africa and have become known as the Arab Spring, created new waves of immigration into Europe.
Many voters concluded that not only had successive UK governments mishandled the issue of immigration but so had the European Commission. When "Angela Merkel threw open Germany’s borders, doing so broke a number of EU regulations. This only served to harden views on immigration across the rest of the EU and Britain. People felt they’d lost control of it, and fear and anxiety crept in as a consequence.” Currently there are two forms of immigration into the UK; uncontrolled immigration from the EU and controlled immigration from outside.
At the same time,In managing the economy, the EU opted for austerity – resulting in significant problems for countries including Greece and Italy. and delayed economic recovery both in Europe and Britain. before the referendum, the then Chancellor of the Exchequer, George Osborne, issued extremely dour predictions for the effect of Brexit on the economy. These predictions went all the way to 2030. The models used to make them are just not capable of forecasting that far ahead.”

The fragmentation of British politics. Elections results used to be based around the electorate’s strong allegiance to a particular party. But now this is fragmenting and the party system is fragmenting as weakening party attachments produce large scale volatility in electoral behaviour. "The party system is coming unglued. This is important because a fragmented system makes it harder to govern and makes policymaking and planning much more difficult – and therein lies the serious consequences of populism, something there is still significant problem for in the UK,” he said.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 25,Sep,22 10:57 other posts 
Good analysis. I agree with everything in it. It didn't contain many new insights for me, but it organized it nicely.

My own idea in the subject is;
- The EU is a center-right coalition. It is good for trade and corporations, but bad for 50% of the poorest people, because the EU forces privatization, which causes wealth and income redistribution from the poor to the rich in social democracies like the UK. The UK already did have a lot of income inequality caused by Thatcher's austerity, so the EU did not help poor people in the UK, but it was good for the London finance sector. Ever been to London? I saw more Lamborghini's in the first hour, than I saw before in whole my life. I stopped looking at the standard super-cars after the first day and only the fully tricked out versions, that would double their value, got my attention after that.
- The tories (right-wingers) blamed all that on the EU, while it was right-wing policies who worsened the income inequality in the UK. And off course they would blame it on immigrants. No one can deny that immigrants compete for money and benefits with the poor original residents. It's just scummy to blame even poorer people for income inequality, when the only problem the rich have is how to still get noticed in the most expensive super-cars money can buy.
- The tories were very successful in blaming the EU and the immigrants that were 'sent by the EU' and the stupid populists among them were demanding to get out of the EU, while the corporate right-wingers were more cautious at first, because trade and the EU banking system have made them and all their friends rich as fuck. However, they had to stand against the labor party defending the EU, so they ended up in a situation outside their control.
- Whenever you throw the referendum bone at the public, the public wants it. So the UK government was forced to do it. And we all know how it ended.
- After both David Cameron, who supported continued membership, and Theresa May, who failed at making an acceptable deal, resigned over Brexit, it was up to Boris. He delivered an agreement that was only slightly better than just letting Brexit happen without an agreement, but worse than Theresa May's agreement, according to a major economics think tank.
- However, the UK is not doing as bad as expected. They fell back significantly compared to the EU, but they have not completely crashed, as some people projected.

Here are two articles about the effects of Brexit:
Focusing on the economy:
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Here is a government study about how the UK is taking advantage of leaving the EU:
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Here is an alarming article from just before the Covid crisis:
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It's just not clear yet, whether leaving the EU will help the people who voted to leave. With the tories still at the helm and Liz Truss vowing to cut taxes, avoid austerity and meet fiscal rules (which is impossible), there is no way to predict where they are heading. The UK now has more freedom to decide their own direction, which I would like for my own country, but if they take a direction that
is even to the right of the EU, the people who voted to leave will suffer the consequences.

"We find that voting Leave is associated with older age, white ethnicity, low educational attainment, infrequent use of smartphones and the internet, receiving benefits, adverse health and low life satisfaction."
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By #610414 25,Sep,22 13:56
Only time will tell. I can only opine on what experts and people closer to it have to say.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 22,Oct,22 13:54 other posts 
It looks like the people closer to her understood pretty quickly.
By #610414 22,Oct,22 16:02
That's the fastest ever
By #672017 22,Oct,22 14:05
The UK monarchy has made enemies by way of it's colonizer history, and like it or not the queen was the figurehead of that shame (no matter how sweet she was).

It's not surprising that many are unable to muster sympathy for her passing, despite the human aspect of it all.


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