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By phart [Ignore] 19,Jan,26 08:29 other posts 
HEHEHEEE, I luv it
Cat and other liberals call folks like me "deplorables"
Well it turns out there is a catch phrase for liberal white women.

So let me see how to put it in a sentence.
Cat, You are just AWFUL.
Not awful as in very bad or unpleasant per say but awful as in
Affluent White Female Urban Liberal

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By leopoldij [Ignore] 17,Jan,26 22:04 other posts 
Trading with China rather than with rogue bully states as the US seems to be more viable at the moment.

Congratulations to Canada.
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Trump's war towards the US allies will hurt the US too.
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 09:02 other posts 
Well, perhaps you will get the enjoy the tools that break the second time you use them, the radioactive shrimp, the lead based paint on your kids toys and so on like we have here the states for so long.
By quint [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 10:21 other posts 
you should do some reading before you start to assume so much.. this is a historic deal for both countries and opens the doors to agriculture, auto, energy to name just a few.. not amazon crap. Whether you want to believe it or not, the financial world sees the USA as a volatile market and is moving on without you. Pretty soon your administration's tariffs will hold no leverage on the world stage. Oh.. and unlike you, we have strict government regulations about what's in paint and shrimp, so no poisoning kids here..
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 10:25 other posts 
we have been told our FDA had all those issues under control to but we are finding out otherwise. So don't be surprised if you find out corruption and pay offs and such don't play a part in your food industry
By quint [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 11:18 other posts 
well Phart, as a social society, we have a different mindset when it comes to profit over health. That's why we have universal healthcare that comes with dental as well, while you chose to vote out any chance of healthcare you had, because of a nickname (obamacare vs ACA). I know that's a pretty bold statement but that's the way I see it.
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 13:06 other posts 
healthcare is a bit off topic from leo's post but it is not as complicated as people think it is.
IF you work for a company here in the US and you find a chemical compound that can alleviate arthritis pain in the knees, you take it to your supervisor and it goes up the ladder and your company decides to invest in the research to find out any problems and what not before it would go onto market. Simple morals and common sense would dictate that a company would not want to sell a bad product to the people.
Well our government, takes all that control away from the company. IT dictates the amount of research and even places a DOLLAR amount on what has to be spent and the TIME that has to be spent before they will consider approval. The government in and of it's self is a ignorant ,soulless conglomerate that knows little to nothing except what it is fed. With all the regulations in place, that would not be needed if company's could decide for themselves what needed to be done ,remember, they were the 1's smart enough to come up with the potential cure in the first place ,not the government, then pills and healthcare would be MUCH cheaper.

Meds have dates on them that they claim is how long a med is good for. Required by our government. BUT once that date passes, alot of meds go to third world countries because they are still viable, it is all about MONEY/
And I can't choose my dr. Oh, well I can choose from a list my INSURANCE will pay for.
But if my leg gets crushed under a truck wheel, they will try to actually save it. Whereas some of these free health care countries, just cut it off and leave you with a nub.
By quint [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 14:41 other posts 
Damn Phart.. so you're telling me an out for profit private company is going to do more to save your leg than Universal Healthcare? That just doesn't make sense. I've said this before to you, I don't think you understand Universal Healthcare.. As far as being off topic, you were the one who changed the narrative about the deal and said we'd be poisoning our kids, so you went off topic.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 16:58 other posts 
You just have realized that phart is a fundamentalist, and operates much in the same way that Muslim fundamentalists do: need ready to accept anything, even die, rather than refute any word coming from the mouth or ass (it's the same in his case) of trump. Trump, for phart, is god.

Remember the vivid parties where Trump supporters were infecting themselves to prove that trump was right? Well, some of them died and only when they were dying did they regret it. But it was too late.

For phart, if trump says that by giving tax breaks to the billionaires is going to create a great health care system, that's it, he believes that. He has no way to fire those synapses in his brain to produce a rational argument. He can't. It's perhaps not his fault for being brain-damaged, just like all those millions of maga-idiots who follow their supreme leader like sheep.

As for changing topic, phart has no way to respond other than changing the topic. All the time. By using random things he picks from far right wing media on the internet.
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 19:29 other posts 
I am capable of thinking for myself. I just agree with a good portion of what Trump says. NOT all of it.
He sure as hell is better than that laughing idiot that ran against him with that tampon pusher crook for a vice.

The problem with Leo is he thinks he is so much smarter than everyone else. News flash,he aint.
I use other events and topics as examples in my discussions. the fact you can't connect the dots is not my fault.
If you ever dealt with electrical circuits, you might better understand my logic.
By quint [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 20:10 other posts 
I know you're capable of thinking for yourself so I'm curious as to what you don't agree with him on?
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 21:31 other posts 
Legalization of pot for 1 thing.
Subsidizing ethanol production that takes away from our food supply as most is made from corn.
although it is not "sweet corn " we would buy to eat our selves it is corn that would feed our cows and such.making meat cost more because of higher feed prices.

those are just 2 things off the top of my head. i am not feeling well. will try to take the time to explain more tommorow.
By quint [Ignore] 19,Jan,26 06:08 other posts 
pot and cow corn? I yield my question. don't take anymore time to explain
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 19:34 other posts 
Yes, I would trust a for profit company to save my leg over a government run heath system. There is no compassion in government. it is all about cost cutting and who bribed me the most last week.
If a company saves my leg and restored my health, i will tell others about it, enticing investment into that company, other people using it's services. Government doesn't have to advertise it's health care, folks are just expected to use it and cope with the results. I wish I could go to a private hospital with my current heart issues. this shit has drug out now for 8 months and no improvement as the dr has to follow insurance guidelines and what it will pay for as treatment. try this pill 2 months then try this 1. all the while I am sitting here with the energy level of a sloth with the gout.
By quint [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 19:58 other posts 
see.. that's what I'm talking about.. we don't have to be approved by an insurance company.. and if you lived in Canada you would've seen a heart specialist by now. When you talk about government health, you're talking about your government health.. and I definitely trust our healthcare over a system where the Dr. has to follow the insurance company's guidelines.. you don't really need that leg now, do you?
By phart [Ignore] 19,Jan,26 08:21 other posts 
Problem is, if we went from letting insurance companies control it to letting the government control it, holy shit.
Read up on our so called VA hospitals for the veterans. what a fucking joke that system was until Trump came along. I had to go into a couple of them as part of my job and I honestly would not have walked my dog down those hall ways they were so filthy. Veterans missing legs laying on beds in the hall ways because they didn't have enough rooms. I had 1 hollar at me not to go in there because there was a bomb and all kinds of other shit. it is my understanding thanks to Trump they are a bit better now. But once I got a view of "government run" health care in the VA i lost interest in the concept. all about pinching pennys and having Dr's that aren't even American. you know, the folks from overseas that graduated with the lowest scores possible and still get the certificate? Those VA hospitals need to be shut down and the veterans givin a debt card to pay their medical bills and let the veterans choose who cares for them
By quint [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 15:14 other posts 
Canada also just signed a similar deal with UAE worth 70 billion in investments, plus new deals with South Korea, Chile and Japan.. Canada is diversifying..PM Mark Carney's a busy man
By leopoldij [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 16:51 other posts 
Also with China.
Indeed, the US is now considered as
-- dangerous
-- unreliable partner
-- unpredictable
So what can Canada do?
They approach other, reliable, countries. Due to his psychological disturbances, trump is only causing problems--ONLY problems-- even to his closest friends and allies. So he, rightly so, the US is losing all of them.
By quint [Ignore] 19,Jan,26 07:00 other posts 
..another Canadian deal made yesterday. this one with Qatar. Good news for the future!
By leopoldij [Ignore] 19,Jan,26 07:02 other posts 
Canada is sensible. It can't tolerate the bullying of the US. It's unacceptable.
By quint [Ignore] 19,Jan,26 07:13 other posts 
the general consensus in Canada is that we just got slapped in the face by a friend, and we really just don't want to be friends anymore.. speaking on a political level. I think the rest of the world is feeling the same these days.
By phart [Ignore] 19,Jan,26 08:07 other posts 
Well maybe some of those 'new' friends can take up the defense deals we have with you so we don't have to protect you to?
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Multiple current and former U.S. officials said Trump has been complaining in recent weeks that Canada is not positioned to prevent “any encroachment from Russia or China” in the Arctic, and that he wants Canada to spend more on defense.

In other words, part of the reason canada has all that tax revenue to spend on "free" health care is because we are their hired guns.
You think Trump has been a asshole? Well, if we stop protecting you, then what? Is Qatar going to defend you? No they hire us when they need a gun, is kuwait? No, they already hired us back years ago to get sadam out of their knickers.
When Trump made a deal with Qatar, everyone pissed and moaned about it, now every one is celebrating a deal with canada. No difference, they just didn't give canada a airplane.
By quint [Ignore] 19,Jan,26 08:23 other posts 
I'm starting to think Leo was right about you thinking for yourself.. you'll believe anything you are told as long as it fits your agenda. that article is just not true.. Canada is implementing new 6 billion dollar artic surveillance and defense network aligned with Europe and independent from Trump's big beautiful golden dome, because he can't be trusted to do the right thing.. We cut you out, not the other way around.


By leopoldij [Ignore] 16,Jan,26 18:55 other posts 
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Respect international law.
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92% of Americans, many of whom far right maga mob, oppose invasion.
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Oppose or unsure
By phart [Ignore] 16,Jan,26 22:02 other posts 
Again, I direct your attention to this,
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"To imagine a hypothetical world in which Greenland becomes an American territory, on a path toward
statehood not unlike that which Alaska followed, is to imagine a world in which North America is far
more secure and united than it is today. Greenlandic Inuit, who suffer from a long legacy of neglect and
whose colonial experience, despite recent gains in autonomy, has not been entirely positive, may indeed
stand to benefit in many ways. First and foremost, the defense of Greenland in time of war would be
strengthened by its constitutional integration into the U.S. polity,"

Again as I said, sometimes you get what you need, not what you want. Greenland could be a prosperous place
By leopoldij [Ignore] 17,Jan,26 13:20 other posts 
The words you're saying don't come from your mouth but from your ass, spewing shit in diarrhea style.

Greenland needs to be left alone, as a peaceful democratic country. They do not wish to be taken over by kleptocratic dictators.
By phart [Ignore] 17,Jan,26 15:12 other posts 
You aint spoke from your mouth since you ask your mother for some more black eye peas and corn bread at 3 years old.

europeans that object to greenland becoming part of the US will be paying tariffs of 20% to sell in the US now until they wrap their heads around the NEW reality.

it is just a island territory with roughly less than 60,000 people. denmark can load them up and take them to demark. That is roughly 10% of the population of Wyoming here in the US.
considering how little empathy denmark has for the women and girls their boat would probably accidentally sink to avoid the perceived financial burden they would put on demark and they could file insurance claim on the ship and make money.
By quint [Ignore] 17,Jan,26 16:21 other posts 
you need to give it up. You're getting too fixated on it. You're actually talking about involuntary displacement of Inuit people from their generational land. Greenland is not for sale.. end of story.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 17,Jan,26 16:55 other posts 
Fuck you ASSHOLE.

quint is right: involuntary displacement of Inuit people from their generational land is ILLEGAL, UNETHICAL, UNACCEPTABLE, INHUMAN.
By phart [Ignore] 17,Jan,26 22:38 other posts 
Then Leo explain why YOUR ANCESTORS did it to my ANCESTORS and it was just fine then? That was my intention, to back you into a corner and then explain to you that YOUR ancestors Killed, maimed and stole from Mine, and it was just fucking fine.
Google gives this quick response
"The expansion of various Western European colonial powers such as the British and Spanish empires and the subsequent establishment of colonies on indigenous territories frequently involved acts of genocidal violence against indigenous groups in Europe, the Americas, Africa, Asia, and Oceania."

It would behoove you to read about history!
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You claim to be so humane and sane and morally mighty, you are a descendant of heathens and are nothing but a fucking hypocrite. Your ancestors fucked over more people on earth than Hitler.
Fuck off
By quint [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 06:37 other posts 
Are you indigenous?
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 08:09 other posts 
part Cherokee yes

If I used all the added words I guess I would be German-Scottish-Cherokee-Confederate-American.
By quint [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 08:43 other posts 
well you learn something new everyday. I didn't know Confederate-American was considered an ethnicity. German-Scottish.. etc.. it sounds like you were born from Immigrants.. just as much as Cherokee.
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 08:51 other posts 
sadly it's not, It is just that a few folks like myself are so damn sick of everyone else being able to put useless pronouns in front of American that we decided to put Confederate in Front of American when we address liberals just to boil the piss in their bladders a little.
By quint [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 11:25 other posts 
Speaking of atrocities again, didn't Confederate Americans steal African men for slaves back in the day too? you failed to mention that on your list
By CAT52! [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 12:03 other posts 
Quint, don’t bring up inconsistencies in Phart’s arguments. That confuses the poor guy.
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 19:36 other posts 
Cat, go eat your broccoli and cheese!
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 19:19 other posts 
To some degree you have a point ,there would have been Local dealers or distributors so to speak but the folks that actually went to africa and obtained them for import to the US and other countries WERE NOT American. It may be a shock to you!.

Although Spain and Portugal had originally dominated the trade, by the eighteenth century Britain had become the most important slave-trading nation in the world. Between 1501 and 1866, over 12 million Africans are estimated to have been exported to the New World, around 2 million of whom probably died en route.

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By leopoldij [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 08:37 other posts 
Who are my ancestors?
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 08:57 other posts 
unless you are lieing, which,you very well could be, Your profile says you live in the uk "living in United Kingdom" copied from your page.
OK, that is British.
Who did we here in America have to fight to get our independence? Britain. Now if we go back in history, many European country's conquered and "colonized" other places.
Here is what the people of YOUR residence did to the Indians further north of me,
" The British give smallpox-contaminated blankets to Shawnee and Lenape (Delaware) communities—an action sanctioned by the British officers Sir Jeffery Amherst and his replacement, General Thomas Gage. Image of a Mesoamerican infected with smallpox."
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By the way, I already knew alot of this history but while trying to address you I am using google to save typing and to provide a broader explanation.

So to think it is so inhuman of Trump just offering to BUY a island with 57,000 people on it, when folks from your country did all this, is quite a stretch,
By CAT52! [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 12:29 other posts 
Phart why do you always go back in history to point out that a wrong was done then to make a point about what’s happening now? Leopoldij is right,

“ involuntary displacement of Inuit people from their generational land is ILLEGAL, UNETHICAL, UNACCEPTABLE, INHUMAN.”

Are you going to state it’s not? And let’s come back to the American Confederacy, that regime, and, yes, it was a regime, promulgated the active practice of enslaving people as a right of white rich people. Whatever else they brought into the argument on why they became seditious, that alone is enough to justify the destruction of the Confederacy and the people who supported it. Don’t try to make it a noble cause that got trampled by an evil government.
Let me also remind you by quoting Google since that’s were the facts seem to come from these days )unless you got an American history class in school)
The first shot of the Civil War at Fort Sumter was fired by Confederate forces on April 12, 1861, with Lieutenant Henry S. Farley firing a signal mortar shell under the command of Captain George S. James; however, secessionist Edmund Ruffin is often credited with firing the first shot that struck the fort, while Union Captain Abner Doubleday fired the first U.S. Army return shot later that morning.
One more thing, @Phart. You may have Native American ancestry. Yes, the conquering of these fine, proud and rightful original owners of these lands was terrible, but, that was then. And, from where I stand, you are not oppressed nor dispossessed. A modern Englishman, or any other European person is not to blame for that. You want to feel proud of your heritage? That’s good, or, obviously, in your case, feel ashamed to put that adjective in front of your Americanism. Others, like me, are not.

Guys, Quint, Leopoldij, it’s hopeless
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 13:24 other posts 
No, it's not hopeless.
Cat, let's compare a issue that has been in the news lately.
repreations for descendants of slaves.
it is just wrong, plain and simple. And for the exact same reasons you have typed out to me for holding a grudge because of historical of things Englanders did here in the US many moons ago. The folks alive today did no harm to us, Nor have any of us physically harmed them.

To forget history and to refuse to compare it with what is going on now is being naive and stupid.

Have you read about the cost of a slave? 3000 dollars in 1858 money to buy a slave fit for physical work. around 70,000 dollars today,the cost of a average car.
the monthly salary of a confederate soilder was 11 dollars a month. Could he afford a slave? Most who fought in the war were simply trying to defend their homes and farms.I feel like that is a noble cause even if slavery was added to the fray later into the war to foster support for the war up north. In regards to your liberal thinking cat, I think the concept of fighting to protect your home left the equation after the loss of your father apparently.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 14:56 other posts 
Phart
The main cause of the American Civil War was the institution of slavery, which created deep economic, social, and political divisions between the North and South, leading to clashes over states' rights, federal power, and westward expansion, ultimately culminating in secession after Abraham Lincoln's election. While factors like economic differences and states' rights were involved, they were intrinsically tied to the Southern states' desire to preserve and expand slavery, their foundational labor system and way of life.
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 19:22 other posts 
No what caused the 13 states to leave the Union was the tax placed on cotton sold to Europe.
The war started to force reunification of the states and to garner support for the war ,slavery was inserted.
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 08:26 other posts 
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Well gee,
"Europeans were reeling Sunday from U.S. President Donald Trump's announcement that eight countries will face 10% tariff for opposing American control of Greenland."

With that statement ,and Demarks history of being concerned about the economic burden greenland places on them so badly they neutered the women and girls, perhaps this is what it will take to turn the tables, a economic burden.

BESIDES,Have you bothered to check on HOW denmark wound up with greenland sucking off it's hind tit?

"Greenland's colonial history sheds light on its complex legal status under international law. The Kingdom of Denmark colonized Greenland in 1721. The 1814 Treaty of Kiel, ending hostilities between Denmark and Sweden during the Napoleonic Wars, affirmed Denmark's control over Greenland"

So greenland was taken in by WAR and violence way back when. Trump simply wants to fucking BUY IT without firing a shot. NOW who's the Barbarian?
By leopoldij [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 08:36 other posts 
Congrats for copying history from the Internet. I'm glad you're learning.

You're not telling me anything I don't know.

Greenland does not want to be owned by the US or invaded by it.
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 08:48 other posts 
well, they may not get what they want, they may get what they need. The income they will earn from the natural resources gleaned from their frozen tundra will create jobs and better homes and towns.which would lead to economic independence from the vicious grip of denmark.
By quint [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 09:59 other posts 
Geez Phart.. vicious grip of Denmark? I don't think so. It kinda moots your point when you have to distort your argument. Greenland is not for sale.. it's like saying your southern ancestors should have just sold their plantations rather than go to war.. just sayin'
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 10:26 other posts 
there was no offer to buy the plantations, just orders to Sherman to burn them and **** the women and children and destroy crops.Lincoln approved of all that shit but he is considered a hero. only registered users can see external links

I can go into more detail of the more direct affects of all this in a pm, but you don't take pms.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 12:22 other posts 
They don't want better jobs. They say that themselves. They definitely don't want the US to buy and invade them not least because the US is a fascist state.

No one in the democratic world wants to be under fascism.
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 12:58 other posts 
there are few humans alive that don't want better for themselves, you are a idiot
By leopoldij [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 13:06 other posts 
Your notion of "better" is that of an American hypercapitalist who equates it with shopping junk every day from target, amazon, gunsinc, etc. Humans don't need materialistic shit. You do. But you're not human. You're just a product of American hypercapitalistic systems, now enhanced by cleptocratic authoritarianism.
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 13:31 other posts 
you are fucked up as a football bat. Sure I go to walmart, to get something to cook to eat and such, But i don't depend on those sources for my glee and happiness. I build things, fix things and help my neighbors to make my self feel happy and fulfilled in life.
I get harassed by folks all the time about me not having 1 of those "smart" phones. Or a car with built in gps and such.
I despise the hyper portion of capitalism as much as you do probably. I fight it every way I can.,

I just know that greenland is a land filled with resources that could improve the quality of life of all humans and denmark has their thumb over it.
By leopoldij [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 14:12 other posts 
Greenland does not wish to be invaded or bought.

I guess you don't understand simple English.
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 14:49 other posts 
Oh I understand it better than you think
Let's see'
"What was Hitler's end goal?
Hitler pledged to restore prosperity, create civil order (by crushing industrial strikes and street demonstrations by communists and socialists), eliminate the influence of Jewish financiers, and make the fatherland once again a world power."

ok, so if Trump is facist like hitler, does that also mean the protesters in minnesota are communist and socialist?
By leopoldij [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 17:00 other posts 
Get back to the main topic.
Or quit bullshitting.
quint said it quite eloquently:

"you need to give it up. You're getting too fixated on it. You're actually talking about involuntary displacement of Inuit people from their generational land. Greenland is not for sale.. end of story."
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 19:23 other posts 
Bullshitting? You Are the 1 bullshitting, bloviating and over heating,
I can hear the piss boiling in your bladder thru the computer screen
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 09:03 other posts 
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Who brought all this sickness to America?
YOU EUROPEANS
"Epidemics of smallpox, typhus, influenza, diphtheria and measles swept the Americas subsequent to European contact, killing between 10 million and 100 million people, up to 95% of the indigenous population of the Americas. "

DO YOU SEE THAT NUMBER LEO?? 95 fucking % of the indigenous people were killed because of European sickness's. But Trumps Offer to BUY a island is inhumane? THey STOLE this country by KILLING it's people
By leopoldij [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 16:46 other posts 
"You Europeans"
By phart [Ignore] 18,Jan,26 19:24 other posts 
what else would I call you all?
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