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for hiding in underground bunkers, in civilian areas?
Netanyahu is doing the same thing, right now:
using his own civilians as human shields.
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Israel attacked Iran. Is Iran now allowed to completely destroy Israel?
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Is crossing the street a crime?
You frequently criticize our government and also out police so I’m curious as to how you or how do you think your country’s police force might have handled this situation?
it is ok for people to roam the streets over there i am sure. are they up to no good? who knows just let them roam until a crime is committed then wonder why it happened. alot of crime happens because people don't act proactively. see something strange,like a darkly dressed person in a hoodie? check to see what is going on. when a cop knocks on your door,answer,
first off, was this during cold weather? if not why was he wearing a hoodie??
Reliable, specific statistics on the number of crimes committed by people wearing hoodies are difficult to find, as crime statistics are not typically categorized by the clothing worn by the suspect
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However, some data exists regarding the reporting of clothing in suspect descriptions:
One source mentions that from 2010 to 2018, there were 16,180 reports where the suspect description included "wore hood/hoodie".
Following the 2012 shooting death of Trayvon Martin, a study revealed a significant increase in reports mentioning a "suspect wore hood/hoodie". In 2012, there were 1,243 such reports, followed by a 92% increase in 2013. In the first six months of 2019, there were 2,510 reported crimes mentioning a hooded suspect, an increase from 1,938 in the first six months of 2018. This data specifically refers to reports made to the LAPD and does not represent all crimes committed.
It is important to note that:
Wearing a hoodie is not a criminal offense.
Some sources suggest that the increased reporting of hooded suspects may be influenced by racial profiling and negative stereotypes associated with hoodies and criminal activity, stemming from media portrayals and events like the Trayvon Martin case.
Hoodies are often worn by street criminals for concealment purposes, making identification more challenging.
While the available data provides insight into the frequency of hoodies being mentioned in suspect descriptions, it's crucial to avoid equating the garment with criminal behavior itself.
did you read that second to last paragraph.
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Our police only bothers citizens, when they have good reason to.
Why wouldn't you want your police to have the same attitude?
My understanding of our system is that the police need PROBABLE CAUSE for stops or anything. I have a difficult time believing that the deputy wanted to question the young man just because he was collecting mail while wearing a hoodie with the hood up and if the collecting mail while wearing a hoodie was his only PROBABLE CAUSE then he shouldn’t have a 3 day suspension, he should be fired. Sorry, Ananas2xLekker, there are some pertinent details that have been omitted.
the teen crossed the road without looking. He ordered the kid to stop, and because he wants all his orders to be followed, even when his orders don't make sense, he went ballistic. I don't believe that any details were omitted.
Maybe you feel the need to believe this, to justify the cops behavior.
I don't understand why you would do that. If you don't protect your rights and freedom, they are gone before you notice, if you look away too long.
Thomas Jefferson: "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."
Benjamin Franklin: “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”
Abraham Lincoln: “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”
Edward R. Murrow: “A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”
George Orwell: “The people will not revolt. They will not look up from their screens
long enough to notice what’s happening.”
They are called "woonerf". They are designed for children to run around freely, without having to pay attention. It's up to the drivers to pay attention. Cars should drive at walking pace: the maximum speed on a residential area is 15 km/h, also for cyclists. Cars can only park in spaces with a P-sign or marking on the road.
When you drive out of the residential area, you must give way to all other traffic.
The street on the video looked very much like a street like that.
Talk to phart, who thinks it's a crime to just cross a street like that,
without looking to your left and right.
The blue traffic sign means "woonerf":
so a loose dog that could bite a kid,won't be noticed because no one is paying attention? a tourist is expected to know all these crazy ideas? wow, i am glad i am afraid to fly or float,i don't want to be near a place like that, that environment breeds people incapable of taking care of themselves.
how do you folks expect a kid to grow up capable of taking care of it's self when it doesn't even know to look both ways before crossing a street?
how do you expect them to grow up knowing how to respect authority? what is the purpose of authority if it is not respected?
teach them to say yes sir,no sir,yes mam no mam,
teach them to respect the law and those that enforce it.
teach them not to break the law in the first place and they won't have to interact with the enforcement.
just simple things early in life they can understand and build on.
and along those lines, if they want a video game,they mow the lawn for 5 bucks allowance a week for a while, to teach them that it takes work to get what you want.just as a example.
and when the kid fucks up , spank them a couple wacks, and tell there will be more the next time.
and reward good behavior, if your kid acts like it has some sense, make sure it knows you as a parent and society appreciates it.
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And kids shouldn't have to work to enjoy toys. What are you? The Grinch?
I was always taught to look both ways twice before crossing the street
when a cop says stop, you stop.
your mother was supposed to have taught you to look both ways before crossing the street .this kid didn't. could it be he didn't want his face seen? plenty of reason for suspicion if there had been problems in the neighborhood recently.
around here folks park a car 1 street over and walk thru woods or whatever to steal from a home on the next street. we get videos all the time on the local neighborhood forum showing people walking in hoodies and checking cars in driveways to see if doors are locked and they open unlocked doors and take things and keep walking , in their hoodies ,faces hidden. Ananas2xLekker you just apparently live in a utopian environment where crime is just in story books.
There is no LAW that says you must "look both ways" before crossing the street.
The kid is dumb not to do it, but being dumb is not against the law.
Your cops have a hard time accepting new information, when they decided to do something. When he saw that the kid was wearing headphones, he could have stopped his arrest and turned it into a stern talk, but he continued his arrest,
because he is a stubborn motherfucker, who cannot admit to any hasty judgement.
I live in a place where citizens have rights and cops are not trained to be bullies.
We believe that cops should set the right example, not behave like criminals
with a badge.
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Do you believe cop1, when he says to cop2 that the guy was hiding behind a pole?
We find him sitting on that bench, and the Lyft actually shows up.
That confirms the story of the kid. What confirms the story of cop1?
By the way, there are 24 US states where you have to show your ID to a cop,
if they ask. In the other states, you don’t have to show ID unless you're being arrested or detained with probable cause. What was the probable cause here?
In any case, his probable cause fell away. That means he had no reason to demand his ID in most states. But he still arrested the kid, for not complying to his demand,
that he had no business demanding.
I'm not saying that the cops are UNDERtrained, I'm saying they are trained to
do the wrong thing. They are not trained to 'protect and serve', they are trained
to impose fear on the citizens. Do you want to live in a police state, like phart?
You might not feel that (yet), because you're not a teen in a hoodie.
The water is getting hot, and you're the frog that doesn't feel it.
They are trained to be dictators. Not just a few, but ALL of them.
There is also a trend.
Decades ago they only harassed black men, who looked dangerous.
Then they started to harass black boys and women, who are just minding
their own business. Now they are also harassing white teens in hoodies,
who are just minding their own business. Do you stop wearing hoodies?
But, they are already harassing white girls too. How long before YOU
cannot walk or drive around, before you are harassed by cops constantly?
Understand that every interaction with a cop is a risk.
Picture this: They can ask you for your ID, for no reason.
You reach for your wallet in your inside pocket, a bit too quickly.
They think you are reaching for a gun. You now end up dead.
That's your future, if you don't stop the trend.
What I see is that all these righwingers give examples of this and that to excuse these bad actors, but, when the other people try to give supporting examples, then, we just don't see why it was ok for a cop to do what he did.
Again, do you want me to concede that the men and women that protect and serve our towns, cities and states are a bunch of poorly trained morons? It ain’t gonna happen!
My suggestion to you is that every morning when you open your eyes and just before you get your feet out of bed, you thank GOD that you live where you live, in a beautiful, relatively crime free country, amongst decent law abiding countrymen and I will do the same!
or someone you love, before you believe it.
I'm not saying that I want that for you, I'm saying that you're calling this on yourself.
I don't believe in a god, and I don't thank some imaginary entity for something that we achieved with hard work. We have crime too, but we don't want to sacrifice our freedom to reduce it. If you need a police state to have law abiding countrymen, you have lost the fight for decency, not won it. You win the fight for decency,
by giving everyone a chance at a good life, with education, a social safety net,
and jobs that pay a living wage. Almost everyone chooses a worthwhile life
above being a criminal.
If you teach a child to behave, by only punishing bad behavior, it will only learn
not to do that, when you're around to see it. If instead you teach a child WHY
bad behavior is wrong, how it affects others, and what better choices to make,
it helps them develop empathy, a sense of responsibility, and internal moral values, not just obedience. Your cops are sign of a society that gave up on actual morality,
and only enforces obedience. Why would you support that?
My country opened the borders and allowed people into our country, established sanctuary cities. Until recently, your country paid refugees to leave.
I believe in GOD , I believe in human decency, I believe that there are good people and there are not so good people. There are intelligent people and then there are people that will never rise to the same level of intelligence. If the not so good people, less intelligent people are gainfully employed, you are probably going to find things that are a problem. KEEP LOOKING! There might be flaws in any training however I still feel our law enforcement officers do a darn good job at what they do!
• FUCKED UP ADULTS WILL NOT FUNCTION PROPERLY IN THE UNIVERSE
• FUCKED UP PEOPLE WILL BIRTH AND RAISE FUCKED UP OFFSPRING
• FUCKED UP OFFSPRING WILL GO INTO AN ALREADY FUCKED UP UNIVERSE AND FURTHER FUCK THINGS UP!
How did that happen? Is it just in their nature?
Are Americans different from other people somehow?
Americans can't discipline their kids anymore.
how many school shootings did we have in 1949?
what was the teen suicide rate in 1959?
i could go on, but the simple fact is, the less discipline, the more issues
Anyway, you're disappearing them all to El Salvador.
If they're all gone, you cannot blame them anymore.
Our right-wingers are smart enough to keep them.
They almost had the strictest immigration rules ever,
so Geert Wilders blew up the cabinet, with stupid excuses.
That way they will always have a scapegoat for their failures.
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Geert had 37 members in the House of Representatives, making $161,395/year, who never showed up for work. That shows how seriously they take their jobs.
People are fleeing from countries at war or in immense poverty.
They just walk in to our country asking for asylum.
If they get it, they have the same chances for good jobs, as we have.
The cheap labor is provided by working migrants from other EU countries.
At any time, there are between 200,000 to a million temporary migrant workers, mostly from Poland, working in our greenhouses for cheap. It's the right-wing parties, who cater to the big corporations, who created that system.
(They also mandated that we sold all our public utilities to private companies)
Geert Wilders didn't do or try ANYTHING to limit that migrant worker system.
It's only left-wing parties who want to do that, especially my Socialist Party.
The right-wingers intentionally created a immigration crisis, by closing many Asylum seekers' shelters and cutting expenses for immigration services, resulting in much longer processing times for immigrants. We are now flooded with asylum seekers from safe countries, who should be sent back in weeks or at best a few months, while the number of them coming in has NOT grown.
We had a temporary spike in Ukrainians, but a massive majority of the people supported their safe harbor. That has declined now, because the current right-wing administration made a big mess of that too.
Our biggest problem is housing. Why is that a problem? Because the right-wingers turned it into a "market", for the wealthy to make lots of money.
How do they make lots of money? By creating SCARCITY!!!
People are stupid, so they believe Geert, saying "it's the immigrants!".
They created a problem, to blame all other problems on, promised to fix
that artificial problem, people fall for it and vote them in as biggest party.
Then they do NOTHING about the real problems but focus on the artificial problem, and not even manage to get ANYTHING done. How easy would
it be to just reverse what they did, and take credit? Instead they made it worse.
Now he blew up the cabinet, blaming the other parties for his minister failing.
That minister had ALL the support she needed. The other parties had only one demand: OBEY THE FUCKING LAW!! When her policies were judged unlawful AND ineffective, she literally said: "I am policy!"
I hope people are not dumb enough to vote for that useless liar again.
We are obligated by international law. Google "non-refoulement".
The US has gratified international laws and human rights treaties too.
That's why.
It's part of living together, instead of killing each other constantly.
It's part of what allowed the evolution of civilization from savagery.
It's just basic morality, the thing you accused me once of not having, because I'm an atheist. Well, the bible stories of Jesus and the good Samaritan are supposed to teach you COMPASSION. Are you a believer? By your own standards you must be an atheist, because you show no compassion at all. Not just not for illegals, but for not for anyone.
Do you understand what a world without compassion looks like?
That would be worse than what we had in our age of savagery.
Do you think you need to worry about "dangerous areas" then?
No one would be safe anywhere. That's the world that you are asking for.
i guess you are to blind to see it.
you read the people before you show it ,make sure it is not wasted. because most of the time, compassion cost money ,lots of it. no need to waste it on the ungrateful, the unwilling to try and etc
That's no reason to abandon compassion. I didn't.
And it's not what's happening in the US.
You were never generous to any immigrants.
Certainly not to undocumented immigrants.
What you have in the US is better than where they come from,
but don't think you gave them any compassion worth a damn.
They are working their asses off for jobs you are too lazy for.
Those jobs don't pay shit, because you're exploiting desperate people.
They have no reason to be grateful. You should be grateful to them.
Just like the slaves you once owned, they have built America for you.
they did it legally.
the immigrants commiting crimes and such, snuck over here in a tater sack or behind a hubcap or in a hay bale,or under a seat cover. google those things, yep, people smuggle people covered in seat covers in vans. and the government stopped a truck load of hay last week full of illegals. puppys,fighting chickens and other small illegals get snuck in behind hubcaps.
the concept of "illegal immigration" as we understand it today didn't exist during the late 18th and early 19th centuries in the United States. There were very few, if any, laws in place to restrict immigration until much later in the 19th century.
Here's why:
No Federal Immigration Laws:
The U.S. didn't have a federal system of immigration laws until the late 19th century. This meant there were no laws to break to immigrate.
if someone came here with a visa and it expired,they were supposed to leave. that is what they agreed to when they applied for the visa.
Then what is the argument for wanting to "deport" the "illegals"?
Were your ancestors LEGAL immigrants? Didn't they just come in, on a boat?
By the way, Trump is letting ICE pick up LEGAL immigrants too. lots of them.
No warrant, no due process, they pick up people who have been living and working in your country, who were going through the process to become a US citizen, or who were even born in your country. Illegally captured, detained and shipped over to one of the worst dictatorships in South America, to live out their lives in a horrible prison.
Even -IF- they were illegal, is that a crime of that level? By your own law, unauthorized presence is a Civil offense, not a crime. Illegal entry (crossing the border without inspection) is a misdemeanor (first offense). Re-entry after removal (deportation)
is a Felony (under 8 U.S.C. § 1326). Penalties: Basic re-entry: up to 2 years.
Prior criminal convictions: up to 10 or 20 years, depending on the crime.
Most of the ICE victims are only guilty of "unauthorized presence": NO CRIME!
Many of them were even staying by "authorized presence".
The Trump regime is fabricating allegations against them, on the basis of tattoos.
That's not just my "media bias" talking, it is supported by your own courts.
Just because your media has been corrupted, doesn't mean it's corrupt everywhere.
We still have the honest journalists that you once had.
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Trump is also blocking people coming on student visas. Those are your high skilled workers of the future. If you're ALL immigrants, what's the argument there?
I don't think that your country is bad IN GENERAL.
I have very specific grievances with what's happening in the US.
If that only affected you, that's your business, but it doesn't.
I hope you understand that Trump has a damaging effect to all of the world.
If he actually did that to help Americans, I would understand, but it doesn't.
He's threatening democratic countries, while appeasing (y)our enemies.
His destruction of democracy creates another "Russia". We don't need that.
His tariffs are doing the exact opposite of his stated goal, while creating chaos.
He's giving even more power and wealth to the wealthy, while screwing everyone else.
That also has global impact: your wealthy assholes take over our shit too.
Phart, this message is for Cody. Let him think about this for himself.
You're giving me examples of a fantasy. There are not 16 times more people coming to your country that live in it. They are also not getting free medical. People who are truly illegal get nothing. Maybe if they drop from a roof that they are fixing, you might save their lives, but other than that they get nothing. Do you have any numbers on how much that costs?
"Don’t believe everything thing you hear on the news, it’s not as bad as you think or hear."
Most undocumented immigrants DO pay taxes. Just ask ChatGPT and check its sources.
According to a 2024 report by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), undocumented immigrants paid approximately $96.7 billion in taxes in 2022:
- Federal Taxes: $59.4 billion, including income and payroll taxes.
- State and Local Taxes: $37.3 billion, encompassing sales, excise, property, and income taxes.
On average, this amounts to about $8,889 per undocumented immigrant.
They are however almost never eligible for social security.
They have not been sucking you dry, it's the other way around.
As I clearly stated, many immigrants that Trump is disappearing ARE NOT ILLEGAL. I would have no problem with it, if he actually deported illegal people,
just out of the country, NOT to a prison in El Salvador.
Just like phart a.o., you keep thinking that I am OK with illegal immigration. I'M NOT!
I'm not OK with your methods, because they are brutal and criminal.
They are still human beings. Most of them have never hurt anyone. I just told you that most of them have not committed a crime or at best a misdemeanor by being in your country. They are looking for a better life and many are working harder than you probably ever have. Still, you keep defending how they are ALL treated, by describing them ALL as the worst tiny minority.
If they are all lazy criminals, then why are your harvests of fruit and vegetables rotting on the fields, when they fled for ICE?
Do you have actual crime statistics to support what you're saying.
To get a biased answer, supporting rising crime, I asked ChatGPT:
"How much did crime go up in the US in the last 3 decades?"
The answer was long, but I'll give you the first sentence:
"Over the past three decades, crime rates in the United States have generally declined, despite some fluctuations during specific periods."
So how come that statistics aren't supporting your feelings?
I even asked about Miami:
"What is the trend of crime rates in Miami, Florida, US?"
The beginning of the answer: "Crime rates in Miami, Florida, have experienced notable fluctuations over the past few years, with recent data indicating a downward trend in both violent and property crimes."
Why don't you try ChatGPT or Grok or any other AI with the question:
"How much of the crime in Miami, Florida is committed by illegal or undocumented immigrants?"
what are his feelings based on? i am willing to bet the same damn thing mine are, from what he sees and hears and feels with his own eyes and ears.
He's telling me how he feels. His feelings are not based on verifiable facts.
He told me: "Don’t believe everything thing you hear on the news, it’s not as bad as you think or hear." about the police. He didn't show me verifiable facts, he just told me his feelings. Now he tells me feelings again, and I present him verifiable facts, in return. If you want to argue against those verifiable facts, present me verifiable facts, or at least reliable data that contradicts them. You don't do that, you are just telling me that you know better. You don't !
You cannot SEE how much tax-dollars are going to illegals and how much taxes they pay. You cannot SEE the difference between an illegal and a x-ed generation poor brown American. You are just telling me prejudices, based on lies.
His and your feelings are based on 24/7 fear-mongering, from right-wing 'news'.
Their reporting is proven false over and over, but you chose to believe it anyway.
As far as your own eyes and ears are concerned, they see and hear LIES.
You hardly leave your home. How do you see anything happening in real life?
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If our neighborhoods look like a "snow globe neighborhood" to you, then there is something wrong with your neighborhoods. Most of our neighborhoods look like that. There are of course poorer areas, but even in the poorest ones, I can still walk around at only slightly elevated risk of walking into someone who wants to rob me or mug me. If your neighborhoods are a death trap, that's not because of immigrants, that's because of your own ideas, that people don't deserve anything. Your GDP is much higher than ours, but you can't have nice neighborhoods?
How about INVESTING in people, to better everyone? YOU DON'T WANT TO !!
It has nothing to do with immigrants, they are just the scapegoat you are using.
You have definitely more dangerous neighborhoods than we have. But you've had them for a very long time. That's by choice. It's still not true that crime has risen, it's still not true that illegals are doing that, it's still not true that illegals are taking your taxes. It's ALL your own politics.
I didn't say that our kids ARE "running around like Guineas in the rain", I said
that our neighborhoods are DESIGNED for kids to be ABLE to do that.
Why do you feel the need to twist everything?
as for cody speaking feelings, i have a strong notion you are wrong there. i am not in my house 24-7, not by a long shot, i just avoid dangerous areas and situations i feel uncomfortable in.
investments have been made in people, people have been given second,third and forth chances by our courts, by charitys,and etc. that 1 bastard that was in my high school class , has been in jail over 20 times, rehab over 40 times and has restraining orders from several churches because he tried to rob the preachers. he held a 44 magnum to his mothers head for her wedding ring,hocked it for dope money. he has been given so many chances, and blew every fucking 1 of them. i saw it, i saw what he did to a freinds life starting her on dope and so on. feelings my ass, i see it,i hear it,i feel it. you are the 1's that can't see anything past your snow globe. maybe it needs to be shaken a bit to remind you that this is not paradise
and put big saws on all the cars, so the kids learn how to be safe.
We do teach kids how to look out for danger. Parents still have time to do that
in my country, because they don't both have to work multiple jobs to feed them.
How do you know how to avoid "dangerous areas"?
What do those "dangerous areas" look like?
Why are you worried about a 44 magnum? Guns don't kill people, right?
You are saying that Americans are just worse than Dutch people, are you?
Why else would it work out better in my country?
If it's "the illegals", how come we don't have your problem?
We don't have a border wall, we don't have border protection, there are lots
of poor countries all around us. We have a war on our continent, you don't. Explain why I don't have to avoid "dangerous areas".
everything has it's place, sidewalk and playgrounds for kids, parking lots and roads and streets for cars, buses, trucks, etc.
i am not worried about the gun, i explained what a fellow i know did with 1. i aint defenseless, I will put it that way and leave it.
i could be accused of fuddism but i know what works best for my situation.
as for dangerous places i stay away from, there are sections of town with a majority population of people in almost everytown that white people avoid.plain and simple. violence,drug related shootings and what not happen all the time.most of the time in the streets and parking lots of so called affordable housing.i stay away from those places. i stay away from shopping malls past 2pm, for similar reasons.
Where do you come in telling them you shouldn't build neighborhoods like that anymore?
There are stupid and bad people everywhere. In your country, they can easily get a gun, in my country they can't. That's how you want it. Why complain about it to me?
If you create a system where the only affordable houses are horrible
and close together, you can ask for crime and drugs problems.
What's your solution? Don't built any houses under $2000/month?
What do you think all the homeless will do to your society?
My solution is to build affordable housing EVERYWHERE and not all in the same area. Then people don't spend all their time working, to pay for their home, and they can be good parents for their kids.
"I didn’t vote for trump, let’s get that up front, I’m not defending what he does or am I saying it’s right. I’m not googling my answers either, I say what I believe in."
Cody, While some news sources have discussed potential significant tax increases if certain legislation expires, it's important to understand the context:
IRS Penalties: One source points out a significant surge in IRS penalties on American taxpayers, nearing 300% in the past year. This refers to penalties, not necessarily an increase in overall tax rates.
Cody, you pay thousands for medical treatment? That's funny because the most you pay with health insurance for most procedures is in the hundreds. And I know. I worked at Baptist Health Hospital for 20 yrs in accounts receivable.
The biggest problem is corporate greed of farmas and doctors.
In 1911 you could literally walk into the US and no one would have said a thing. Immigration laws were almost non existent.
These illegals are not beating the system. They found a way to co-exist. They try to work and they certainly DO pay some taxes. You swallowed the MAGA and right-wing dogma that illegals are the reason for ALL that ails this country.
How about the fact that most Americans are functionally illiterate? How about the fact that this country is more concerned with sexual preference or what bathroom to use while kids are STARVING in the richest country in the world?
What he's doing IS the problem. The purpose may be right but the method is all wrong. No one wants illegals, but there's a LEGAL way to get them out. He's destroying the meaning of the Constitution and no one is doing anything about it.
Cody, that's mostly untrue. I live in South Florida just like you. I have no problems, nor do I encounter, all these "gangs".
I go out every day to see friends, family and do shopping. I go out to dinner and entertainment. I don't have to worry about some gang trashing my city. Yes, there are some iffy areas that I wouldn't go into at night but there's no place I can't travel through in the daytime.
And this is the same as any other major metropolitan area, not just in the US but all over the world. And Broward county is no different. If you are so scared to go out then I suggest you move to a little town in the middle of the panhandle. You know what type. The type where crime is the farmer doing something naughty with the sheep.
Scarface is a MOVIE. You know as well as I do that's not the way it is and before you say you live in Broward and I live in Miami Dade, let me remind you that South Florida is a continuous "city" from Homestead to West Palm Beach.
In short, Cody, you are just full of BS.
Google, for some reason, has a bad reputation with you rightees, but, whether you like it or not, they are just a search engine and what comes up is just facts.
I don't carry every fact in my head and I am secure enough to accept that I do need somewhere to find facts. You should try it.
No offense meant Cody. You just are wrong.
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