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Started by bella! [Ignore] 13,Aug,23 07:15  other posts
This thread is for questionable content. WHY? Just because! I am someone who enjoys the Hodge Twins. YEP, the Hodge Twins. They probably make the hairs on the back of a WOKE person stand straight up! Anyway.....

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By bella! [Ignore] 10,Jun,25 21:50 other posts 
Apparently I was “cc’d” on a text to Gavin Newsom from someone who calls themself “proud dem”. The message was; “I support your brave stand against Trump. Don’t backdown”.
By phart [Ignore] 11,Jun,25 06:52 other posts 
should change their name to proud dumbass.
By dgraff [Ignore] 11,Jun,25 11:10 other posts 
If they keep up their bull shit we can call them dead democrats


By phart [Ignore] 10,Jun,25 09:14 other posts 
europeans need to clean up their own back yard before talking junk about America.

turns out they have school shootings to.
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By bella! [Ignore] 10,Jun,25 20:47 other posts 
phart, it’s a sad day when there are reports of senseless mass shootings anywhere in the entire world. I THOUGHT that there was tighter gun control in Europe, and I am correct, however it seems that gun control is more relaxed in Austria and look at what happened.
By phart [Ignore] 10,Jun,25 21:48 other posts 
i can't remember which country it is over there but there is 1 that gun training is mandatory ,which should be everywhere. i had hunter safety training in the 8th grade and still have the paperwork and card that you were supposed to carry showing you have passed the course. respect for firearms used to be taught in schools,homes , seems not anymore.
kids grow up playing games where they shoot and shoot and shoot and then push reset and shoot some more. put a real gun in their hands and 1 shot changes the world for numerous people.


By phart [Ignore] 10,Jun,25 10:19 other posts 
at least 12 people have some brains and courage in dutchland.
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By phart [Ignore] 10,Jun,25 10:13 other posts 
for those folks that are whining about Trump sending troops in to control the riots in la, just remember,the governor did worse during covid.
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By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 02,Jun,25 09:40 other posts 
Cop Yanks Autistic Kid Out of His Home, Onto the Ground
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Is crossing the street a crime?
By bella! [Ignore] 02,Jun,25 14:31 other posts 
From my perspective , the entire episode was a “calamity of errors”. The young man was autistic and listening to music while wearing headphones. The cop had assumed the young man spotted his marked cruiser and had ignored his command(s). I’m not certain that I heard and/or processed what the cop’s initial concern was but the 3 day suspension seemed justified.

You frequently criticize our government and also out police so I’m curious as to how you or how do you think your country’s police force might have handled this situation?
By phart [Ignore] 02,Jun,25 16:06 other posts 
oh they wouldn't have paid him any attention.
it is ok for people to roam the streets over there i am sure. are they up to no good? who knows just let them roam until a crime is committed then wonder why it happened. alot of crime happens because people don't act proactively. see something strange,like a darkly dressed person in a hoodie? check to see what is going on. when a cop knocks on your door,answer,

first off, was this during cold weather? if not why was he wearing a hoodie??
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 02,Jun,25 16:53 other posts 
This seems to happen a lot, but all you can say is that citizens should behave in a certain way, to not get bothered by the police. He's an idea; unless you break the law, the cops should leave you alone. It's called "freedom".
By CAT52! [Ignore] 02,Jun,25 21:59 other posts 
Also, a hoodie is an article of clothing, nor a crime
By phart [Ignore] 02,Jun,25 22:39 other posts 
but if you take some time to check records, you will find that alot of criminals use hoodies to help prevent their identification and capture while committing crimes.
Reliable, specific statistics on the number of crimes committed by people wearing hoodies are difficult to find, as crime statistics are not typically categorized by the clothing worn by the suspect
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However, some data exists regarding the reporting of clothing in suspect descriptions:

One source mentions that from 2010 to 2018, there were 16,180 reports where the suspect description included "wore hood/hoodie".
Following the 2012 shooting death of Trayvon Martin, a study revealed a significant increase in reports mentioning a "suspect wore hood/hoodie". In 2012, there were 1,243 such reports, followed by a 92% increase in 2013. In the first six months of 2019, there were 2,510 reported crimes mentioning a hooded suspect, an increase from 1,938 in the first six months of 2018. This data specifically refers to reports made to the LAPD and does not represent all crimes committed.

It is important to note that:

Wearing a hoodie is not a criminal offense.
Some sources suggest that the increased reporting of hooded suspects may be influenced by racial profiling and negative stereotypes associated with hoodies and criminal activity, stemming from media portrayals and events like the Trayvon Martin case.
Hoodies are often worn by street criminals for concealment purposes, making identification more challenging.

While the available data provides insight into the frequency of hoodies being mentioned in suspect descriptions, it's crucial to avoid equating the garment with criminal behavior itself.


did you read that second to last paragraph.
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By CAT52! [Ignore] 05,Jun,25 12:45 other posts 
Well, reliable statistics show that a great majority of criminals have DICKS. This is not a criminal offense but, come on…..
By kebmo [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 23:42 other posts 
A lot of criminals wear socks too. Watch out for those bad boys!
By phart [Ignore] 09,Jun,25 07:34 other posts 
kembo, socks don't hide alot of identifying features like a hoodie does. a hoodie prevents security cameras from getting a good view of the crooks face,which can be used to id them later to press charges.
There was no reason for the police to handle anything.
Our police only bothers citizens, when they have good reason to.
Why wouldn't you want your police to have the same attitude?
By bella! [Ignore] 02,Jun,25 20:59 other posts 
Although the deputy has apologized and admits to using unnecessary force, there’s not enough details presented in the video to determine why the deputy needed to detain or question the young man.

My understanding of our system is that the police need PROBABLE CAUSE for stops or anything. I have a difficult time believing that the deputy wanted to question the young man just because he was collecting mail while wearing a hoodie with the hood up and if the collecting mail while wearing a hoodie was his only PROBABLE CAUSE then he shouldn’t have a 3 day suspension, he should be fired. Sorry, Ananas2xLekker, there are some pertinent details that have been omitted.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 02,Jun,25 22:01 other posts 
To the best of my recollection, this is the first time you’ve sided with the wronged person and against an officer of the law.
By bella! [Ignore] 03,Jun,25 23:24 other posts 
Perhaps, however I feel that I tend focus on facts.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 05,Jun,25 12:48 other posts 
And I feel that you tend to focus only on those facts that support your extreme right wing WASP beliefs.
The video explains it pretty clearly. His reason to want to stop the kid, was because
the teen crossed the road without looking. He ordered the kid to stop, and because he wants all his orders to be followed, even when his orders don't make sense, he went ballistic. I don't believe that any details were omitted.

Maybe you feel the need to believe this, to justify the cops behavior.
I don't understand why you would do that. If you don't protect your rights and freedom, they are gone before you notice, if you look away too long.

Thomas Jefferson: "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty."

Benjamin Franklin: “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

Abraham Lincoln: “America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves.”

Edward R. Murrow: “A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves.”

George Orwell: “The people will not revolt. They will not look up from their screens
long enough to notice what’s happening.”
By Cody8789 [Ignore] 03,Jun,25 17:54 other posts 
I don’t know about the laws where you live, but here in most states, a residential neighborhood the pedestrian has the right away to cross any residential street and the cars, which the speed limit is 15 mph has to yield to anyone crossing the street. So the boy, who wasn’t looking, even though that wasn’t the smartest thing to do, has the right away. I didn’t have to look this up, that was one of the questions on the police exam which I passed with flying colors.--------------------------------------- added after 9 minutesOh and another thing, when the neighbors across the street were calling the cop a fucking asshole the cop told them to shut there mouths or he would arrest them, NOT, IT IS NOT AGAINST THE LAW to cuss at a policeman, and also when the cop told the kid he would get an arrest warrant if he didn’t come out,,, there is NO judge that would issue a warrant for an arrest of even a misdemeanor which this wasn’t even that.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 04,Jun,25 04:10 other posts 
Most of our residential neighborhoods are like that. I grew up in one of those.
They are called "woonerf". They are designed for children to run around freely, without having to pay attention. It's up to the drivers to pay attention. Cars should drive at walking pace: the maximum speed on a residential area is 15 km/h, also for cyclists. Cars can only park in spaces with a P-sign or marking on the road.
When you drive out of the residential area, you must give way to all other traffic.

The street on the video looked very much like a street like that.
Talk to phart, who thinks it's a crime to just cross a street like that,
without looking to your left and right.

The blue traffic sign means "woonerf":
By phart [Ignore] 04,Jun,25 13:50 other posts 
you mean to tell me you folks purposely create a environment where kids are not required or not even at least encouraged to pay attention>? no wonder everyone in europe is so screwed up.
so a loose dog that could bite a kid,won't be noticed because no one is paying attention? a tourist is expected to know all these crazy ideas? wow, i am glad i am afraid to fly or float,i don't want to be near a place like that, that environment breeds people incapable of taking care of themselves.

how do you folks expect a kid to grow up capable of taking care of it's self when it doesn't even know to look both ways before crossing a street?
how do you expect them to grow up knowing how to respect authority? what is the purpose of authority if it is not respected?
By CAT52! [Ignore] 05,Jun,25 12:51 other posts 
Really, Phart? With all the hopheads and alcoholics, with all the mass shooters, you are criticizing other countries who have a better life for its people? Ha!
By phart [Ignore] 05,Jun,25 13:59 other posts 
ok so we have folks that are stupid enough to get high on dope and not pay attention, they are teaching people not to pay attention even while sober. can you not see the issue>? those kids won't grow up to be anything worth 2 cents because they won't know how to fend for themselves.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 06,Jun,25 07:49 other posts 
So what is your solution
By phart [Ignore] 06,Jun,25 08:01 other posts 
teach people what should be common sense.look both ways before crossing the street because you will die if a heavy car or truck hits you.and there is no reset on life like on a video game. just for starters.
teach them to say yes sir,no sir,yes mam no mam,
teach them to respect the law and those that enforce it.
teach them not to break the law in the first place and they won't have to interact with the enforcement.

just simple things early in life they can understand and build on.

and along those lines, if they want a video game,they mow the lawn for 5 bucks allowance a week for a while, to teach them that it takes work to get what you want.just as a example.

and when the kid fucks up , spank them a couple wacks, and tell there will be more the next time.
and reward good behavior, if your kid acts like it has some sense, make sure it knows you as a parent and society appreciates it.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 06,Jun,25 14:54 other posts 
And you think only young people act like that? Have you ever driven in a congested big city?
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And kids shouldn't have to work to enjoy toys. What are you? The Grinch?
By phart [Ignore] 06,Jun,25 17:20 other posts 
good lord cat, didn't you ever do any chores around the house? it was to use you for slave labor it was to teach you how to work. did you never get any thing as a result of behaving yourself and doing what was ask of you? what were you,some sort of orphanage child that just sat in a white room?
By CAT52! [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 10:55 other posts 
That's your take. My responsibility for certain chores was to help the family. School is were I learnt to be responsible about work
By dgraff [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 18:48 other posts 
What school did you go to the school of hard cocks
By CAT52! [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 21:38 other posts 
If I did , are you jealous?
By dgraff [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 23:19 other posts 
yeah
By CAT52! [Ignore] 09,Jun,25 00:42 other posts 
Tell me, Dgraff, help me understand, as a members of this site. The place where I made myself believe that, perhaps, I had taken it too far and backed down and decided to treat you like a friend, when did you think you could mock me and still think we were friends? Please save your twisted humor for someone that gives a damn. I don't have many friends here and that's okay. I rather have honest enemies than backstabbing friends.
By dgraff [Ignore] 09,Jun,25 07:38 other posts 
You need to remember none of this is real it’s all fantasy and at the end of the day you’re a stinking democrat and I’m at war with the Democrats and besides there’s nothing in my fantasies that have to do with a 70 year old woman
By CAT52! [Ignore] 09,Jun,25 08:21 other posts 
Well, you've told me off. I didn't know friendship involved sexual fantasies. If it did, then a switch hitter like you would not have been my choice. Just forget about it. I'm not in a happy place.
By dgraff [Ignore] 09,Jun,25 08:56 other posts 
Calm down take your medicine have a deep breath and enjoy a strong cup of morning Joe
By CAT52! [Ignore] 09,Jun,25 10:10 other posts 
My meds are simple vitamins and I still walk 4to 6 miles at least 4 days a week. I'm not a little old lady. I'm fitter than many women on this site and a lot of men. You are being condescending.
By phart [Ignore] 09,Jun,25 09:18 other posts 
By CAT52! [Ignore] 09,Jun,25 10:11 other posts 
What's your problem, Phart.
By phart [Ignore] 09,Jun,25 10:28 other posts 
there is always somebody fussing on here, just quit, it accomplishes nothing
By dgraff [Ignore] 09,Jun,25 23:19 other posts 
Read back and you can see she cast the first stone i was just trying to joke around with her
By phart [Ignore] 10,Jun,25 09:16 other posts 
By phart [Ignore] 09,Jun,25 10:28 other posts 
the schools i went to , hardly taught anything about holding a job, mostly wanted to teach spanish and english and sports.
By dgraff [Ignore] 09,Jun,25 23:16 other posts 
Yep that’s about right
By dgraff [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 17:30 other posts 
I know I’m getting tired of people playing on their phones and walking out in front of me
I was always taught to look both ways twice before crossing the street
By phart [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 17:57 other posts 
yea, text neck is a real thing now. neck injurys from looking down all the time.
By phart [Ignore] 03,Jun,25 21:30 other posts 
this is addressed to Ananas2xLekker but i replied to the wrong post,
when a cop says stop, you stop.
your mother was supposed to have taught you to look both ways before crossing the street .this kid didn't. could it be he didn't want his face seen? plenty of reason for suspicion if there had been problems in the neighborhood recently.
around here folks park a car 1 street over and walk thru woods or whatever to steal from a home on the next street. we get videos all the time on the local neighborhood forum showing people walking in hoodies and checking cars in driveways to see if doors are locked and they open unlocked doors and take things and keep walking , in their hoodies ,faces hidden. Ananas2xLekker you just apparently live in a utopian environment where crime is just in story books.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 04,Jun,25 03:58 other posts 
True, but a cop cannot hold you responsible for not being ABLE to hear a demand. We had that discussion before.

There is no LAW that says you must "look both ways" before crossing the street.
The kid is dumb not to do it, but being dumb is not against the law.

Your cops have a hard time accepting new information, when they decided to do something. When he saw that the kid was wearing headphones, he could have stopped his arrest and turned it into a stern talk, but he continued his arrest,
because he is a stubborn motherfucker, who cannot admit to any hasty judgement.

I live in a place where citizens have rights and cops are not trained to be bullies.
We believe that cops should set the right example, not behave like criminals
with a badge.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 10:59 other posts 
Using a hoodie to hide your face during the commission of a crime DOES NOT SAY, "IF YOU WEAR A HOODIE YOU ARE UP TO NO GOOD" Millions of American males have tattoos. Many American males from all races, commit crimes. It doesn't mean a tattoo wearer is up to no good. You, Phart, want to excuse the cop no matter what. He was in the wrong.
By bella! [Ignore] 03,Jun,25 22:58 other posts 
Sorry, I don’t feel that there is enough detail provided. Regardless, are you hoping that I concede and say that police are under trained, trigger happy, morons? This is ONE POLICE OFFICER that has ADMITTED that he handled a situation incorrectly, so what is the point that you are trying to make?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 04,Jun,25 03:35 other posts 
OK, here's another one:
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Do you believe cop1, when he says to cop2 that the guy was hiding behind a pole?
We find him sitting on that bench, and the Lyft actually shows up.
That confirms the story of the kid. What confirms the story of cop1?

By the way, there are 24 US states where you have to show your ID to a cop,
if they ask. In the other states, you don’t have to show ID unless you're being arrested or detained with probable cause. What was the probable cause here?

In any case, his probable cause fell away. That means he had no reason to demand his ID in most states. But he still arrested the kid, for not complying to his demand,
that he had no business demanding.

I'm not saying that the cops are UNDERtrained, I'm saying they are trained to
do the wrong thing. They are not trained to 'protect and serve', they are trained
to impose fear on the citizens. Do you want to live in a police state, like phart?

You might not feel that (yet), because you're not a teen in a hoodie.
The water is getting hot, and you're the frog that doesn't feel it.
By Cody8789 [Ignore] 04,Jun,25 06:49 other posts 
Most cops here in the u.s. are not bad cops, it only takes a few bad cops or under trained to give a bad name to to them, most cops 👮‍♂️ do there job correctly.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 04,Jun,25 06:59 other posts 
This is not a question of good cops and bad cops, this is systemic.
They are trained to be dictators. Not just a few, but ALL of them.

There is also a trend.
Decades ago they only harassed black men, who looked dangerous.
Then they started to harass black boys and women, who are just minding
their own business. Now they are also harassing white teens in hoodies,
who are just minding their own business. Do you stop wearing hoodies?
But, they are already harassing white girls too. How long before YOU
cannot walk or drive around, before you are harassed by cops constantly?

Understand that every interaction with a cop is a risk.
Picture this: They can ask you for your ID, for no reason.
You reach for your wallet in your inside pocket, a bit too quickly.
They think you are reaching for a gun. You now end up dead.
That's your future, if you don't stop the trend.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 11:05 other posts 
Cody, you are right. Most cops are good, decent people who do a very hard job with much finesse. But, as you've admitted, there are some bad apples that give cops a bad name.
What I see is that all these righwingers give examples of this and that to excuse these bad actors, but, when the other people try to give supporting examples, then, we just don't see why it was ok for a cop to do what he did.
By bella! [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 19:06 other posts 
There’s BAD teachers, there’s BAD doctors/nurses, there’s BAD cab and bus drivers, there’s BAD husbands and wives. Jeez Louise, there’s BAD in every walk of life and profession in EVERY darn country in the ENTIRE WORLD!
By CAT52! [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 21:40 other posts 
And that's what I, and many other people, say. We don't put down everyone down, but, why do we have to argue with your kind over every time someone does something bad?
By bella! [Ignore] 04,Jun,25 09:06 other posts 
These are stats from Google; as of 2024, there were 340.1 million people in the United States of America and when I Google’d how many “law enforcement officers”, we seem to employ .75 million to 1.2 million men and women. You apparently were able to find two individuals who did not perform their duties correctly. Look harder, you can probably find a third, a fourth and MORE!

Again, do you want me to concede that the men and women that protect and serve our towns, cities and states are a bunch of poorly trained morons? It ain’t gonna happen!

My suggestion to you is that every morning when you open your eyes and just before you get your feet out of bed, you thank GOD that you live where you live, in a beautiful, relatively crime free country, amongst decent law abiding countrymen and I will do the same!
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 04,Jun,25 10:51 other posts 
Those are just a few examples. Maybe you first need to see it happen to yourself,
or someone you love, before you believe it.
I'm not saying that I want that for you, I'm saying that you're calling this on yourself.

I don't believe in a god, and I don't thank some imaginary entity for something that we achieved with hard work. We have crime too, but we don't want to sacrifice our freedom to reduce it. If you need a police state to have law abiding countrymen, you have lost the fight for decency, not won it. You win the fight for decency,
by giving everyone a chance at a good life, with education, a social safety net,
and jobs that pay a living wage. Almost everyone chooses a worthwhile life
above being a criminal.

If you teach a child to behave, by only punishing bad behavior, it will only learn
not to do that, when you're around to see it. If instead you teach a child WHY
bad behavior is wrong, how it affects others, and what better choices to make,
it helps them develop empathy, a sense of responsibility, and internal moral values, not just obedience. Your cops are sign of a society that gave up on actual morality,
and only enforces obedience. Why would you support that?
By bella! [Ignore] 04,Jun,25 11:23 other posts 
The Netherlands have a population of 18 million people versus the United States 340 million, rough math, my country is not quite 20 times more populated than your country.

My country opened the borders and allowed people into our country, established sanctuary cities. Until recently, your country paid refugees to leave.

I believe in GOD , I believe in human decency, I believe that there are good people and there are not so good people. There are intelligent people and then there are people that will never rise to the same level of intelligence. If the not so good people, less intelligent people are gainfully employed, you are probably going to find things that are a problem. KEEP LOOKING! There might be flaws in any training however I still feel our law enforcement officers do a darn good job at what they do!
By bella! [Ignore] 04,Jun,25 11:46 other posts 
So now you are asserting that Americans don’t raise their children properly?! Well, it stands to reason;

• FUCKED UP ADULTS WILL NOT FUNCTION PROPERLY IN THE UNIVERSE
• FUCKED UP PEOPLE WILL BIRTH AND RAISE FUCKED UP OFFSPRING
• FUCKED UP OFFSPRING WILL GO INTO AN ALREADY FUCKED UP UNIVERSE AND FURTHER FUCK THINGS UP!
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 05,Jun,25 17:18 other posts 
We have fucked up people too, but at a much lower percentage of the population.

How did that happen? Is it just in their nature?
Are Americans different from other people somehow?
By phart [Ignore] 04,Jun,25 13:52 other posts 
thanks bella, they do seem to breed wimps over there, so it is a good thing someone is looking over them from above.
By bella! [Ignore] 05,Jun,25 00:54 other posts 
Sometimes I feel like my head is spinning out of control. Initially I thought Ananas2xLekker had decided that our law enforcement system and officers were flawed but apparently the problem is bigger than that! American people have piss poor parental skills. I should have known that the problem is deeper than just the job/career that someone chooses, it falls back on who we are, Americans.
By phart [Ignore] 05,Jun,25 07:25 other posts 
yea, but as i posted recently elsewhere, his little piece of paradise can't even maintain a functioning government so i guess he has such a birds eye view of a fucked up mess that he thinks he can act as a advisor to others.

Americans can't discipline their kids anymore.
how many school shootings did we have in 1949?
what was the teen suicide rate in 1959?
i could go on, but the simple fact is, the less discipline, the more issues
You can't keep blaming the immigrants. We have them too. Lots of them.

Anyway, you're disappearing them all to El Salvador.
If they're all gone, you cannot blame them anymore.

Our right-wingers are smart enough to keep them.
They almost had the strictest immigration rules ever,
so Geert Wilders blew up the cabinet, with stupid excuses.
That way they will always have a scapegoat for their failures.

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Geert had 37 members in the House of Representatives, making $161,395/year, who never showed up for work. That shows how seriously they take their jobs.
By phart [Ignore] 05,Jun,25 18:31 other posts 
of course, liberals like having slaves around to wipe their ass's. i think i posted something about that yesterday. so of course your liberal government keeps them. and i doubt they live very well either
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 06,Jun,25 04:13 other posts 
Have you ever heard about refugees?
People are fleeing from countries at war or in immense poverty.
They just walk in to our country asking for asylum.
If they get it, they have the same chances for good jobs, as we have.

The cheap labor is provided by working migrants from other EU countries.
At any time, there are between 200,000 to a million temporary migrant workers, mostly from Poland, working in our greenhouses for cheap. It's the right-wing parties, who cater to the big corporations, who created that system.
(They also mandated that we sold all our public utilities to private companies)
Geert Wilders didn't do or try ANYTHING to limit that migrant worker system.
It's only left-wing parties who want to do that, especially my Socialist Party.

The right-wingers intentionally created a immigration crisis, by closing many Asylum seekers' shelters and cutting expenses for immigration services, resulting in much longer processing times for immigrants. We are now flooded with asylum seekers from safe countries, who should be sent back in weeks or at best a few months, while the number of them coming in has NOT grown.
We had a temporary spike in Ukrainians, but a massive majority of the people supported their safe harbor. That has declined now, because the current right-wing administration made a big mess of that too.

Our biggest problem is housing. Why is that a problem? Because the right-wingers turned it into a "market", for the wealthy to make lots of money.
How do they make lots of money? By creating SCARCITY!!!
People are stupid, so they believe Geert, saying "it's the immigrants!".

They created a problem, to blame all other problems on, promised to fix
that artificial problem, people fall for it and vote them in as biggest party.
Then they do NOTHING about the real problems but focus on the artificial problem, and not even manage to get ANYTHING done. How easy would
it be to just reverse what they did, and take credit? Instead they made it worse.
Now he blew up the cabinet, blaming the other parties for his minister failing.
That minister had ALL the support she needed. The other parties had only one demand: OBEY THE FUCKING LAW!! When her policies were judged unlawful AND ineffective, she literally said: "I am policy!"

I hope people are not dumb enough to vote for that useless liar again.
By phart [Ignore] 06,Jun,25 17:20 other posts 
refugees, why are we obligated to take them in?
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 08:15 other posts 
I was clearly talking about The Netherlands.
We are obligated by international law. Google "non-refoulement".
The US has gratified international laws and human rights treaties too.
That's why.
By phart [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 09:02 other posts 
some of that 1 world government shit we should never have gotten ourselves into.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 17:58 other posts 
Not "1 world government shit", but international treaties.
It's part of living together, instead of killing each other constantly.
It's part of what allowed the evolution of civilization from savagery.

It's just basic morality, the thing you accused me once of not having, because I'm an atheist. Well, the bible stories of Jesus and the good Samaritan are supposed to teach you COMPASSION. Are you a believer? By your own standards you must be an atheist, because you show no compassion at all. Not just not for illegals, but for not for anyone.
Do you understand what a world without compassion looks like?
That would be worse than what we had in our age of savagery.
Do you think you need to worry about "dangerous areas" then?
No one would be safe anywhere. That's the world that you are asking for.
By phart [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 19:07 other posts 
people take advantage of compassion.
i guess you are to blind to see it.
you read the people before you show it ,make sure it is not wasted. because most of the time, compassion cost money ,lots of it. no need to waste it on the ungrateful, the unwilling to try and etc
By phart [Ignore] 05,Jun,25 13:36 other posts 
the person failed to acknowledge the officer and stop. that is cause enough to further investigate.
By Cody8789 [Ignore] 05,Jun,25 17:57 other posts 
Ananas, you fail to understand that this country is made up from immigrants, 95% of the people here are either immigrants or descendants of immigrants. The only people who are not immigrants are the American Indian. All you hear on the news is all negative… you don’t hear and see all the good. If you think this country is as bad as you hear on the news than you don’t know what goes on in this country. Don’t believe everything thing you hear on the news, it’s not as bad as you think or hear.
By phart [Ignore] 05,Jun,25 18:39 other posts 
most of the immigrants you speak of Cody,came over and passed by the Statue of liberty, both sides of my family did except for the Indians that were already here.
they did it legally.
the immigrants commiting crimes and such, snuck over here in a tater sack or behind a hubcap or in a hay bale,or under a seat cover. google those things, yep, people smuggle people covered in seat covers in vans. and the government stopped a truck load of hay last week full of illegals. puppys,fighting chickens and other small illegals get snuck in behind hubcaps.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 06,Jun,25 14:52 other posts 
Only because there were no laws to break, Phart. You could literally walk in without any protest by the government.

the concept of "illegal immigration" as we understand it today didn't exist during the late 18th and early 19th centuries in the United States. There were very few, if any, laws in place to restrict immigration until much later in the 19th century.
Here's why:
No Federal Immigration Laws:
The U.S. didn't have a federal system of immigration laws until the late 19th century. This meant there were no laws to break to immigrate.
By phart [Ignore] 09,Jun,25 13:07 other posts 
i got to thinking about this and duh, for many years there may not have been immigration laws. but people must have saw a issue,and dealt with it by imposing laws. since the laws are on the books, enforce them

if someone came here with a visa and it expired,they were supposed to leave. that is what they agreed to when they applied for the visa.
Of course I understand that. Do you think phart does?
Then what is the argument for wanting to "deport" the "illegals"?
Were your ancestors LEGAL immigrants? Didn't they just come in, on a boat?

By the way, Trump is letting ICE pick up LEGAL immigrants too. lots of them.
No warrant, no due process, they pick up people who have been living and working in your country, who were going through the process to become a US citizen, or who were even born in your country. Illegally captured, detained and shipped over to one of the worst dictatorships in South America, to live out their lives in a horrible prison.

Even -IF- they were illegal, is that a crime of that level? By your own law, unauthorized presence is a Civil offense, not a crime. Illegal entry (crossing the border without inspection) is a misdemeanor (first offense). Re-entry after removal (deportation)
is a Felony (under 8 U.S.C. § 1326). Penalties: Basic re-entry: up to 2 years.
Prior criminal convictions: up to 10 or 20 years, depending on the crime.
Most of the ICE victims are only guilty of "unauthorized presence": NO CRIME!
Many of them were even staying by "authorized presence".
The Trump regime is fabricating allegations against them, on the basis of tattoos.

That's not just my "media bias" talking, it is supported by your own courts.
Just because your media has been corrupted, doesn't mean it's corrupt everywhere.
We still have the honest journalists that you once had.
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Trump is also blocking people coming on student visas. Those are your high skilled workers of the future. If you're ALL immigrants, what's the argument there?

I don't think that your country is bad IN GENERAL.
I have very specific grievances with what's happening in the US.
If that only affected you, that's your business, but it doesn't.
I hope you understand that Trump has a damaging effect to all of the world.
If he actually did that to help Americans, I would understand, but it doesn't.
He's threatening democratic countries, while appeasing (y)our enemies.
His destruction of democracy creates another "Russia". We don't need that.
His tariffs are doing the exact opposite of his stated goal, while creating chaos.
He's giving even more power and wealth to the wealthy, while screwing everyone else.
That also has global impact: your wealthy assholes take over our shit too.

Phart, this message is for Cody. Let him think about this for himself.
By Cody8789 [Ignore] 06,Jun,25 08:02 other posts 
I didn’t vote for trump, let’s get that up front, I’m not defending what he does or am I saying it’s right. I’m not googling my answers either, I say what I believe in. But I can understand why he’s doing what he’s doing. How would you feel if three hundred million Americans came over to your country and got free medical. How would you feel if your country gave us free food money and food stamps, how would you feel if your country gave us free housing. Where do you think that money comes from, we, the American citizens that work hard for our money have to pay the cost, out taxes have increased 300%. I walk in a emergency room to get help and I’m paying a thousand dollars to start just for being seen, not including other costs that they will add while people who do not pay taxes get and are not citizens get free medical. If we don’t give them free medical they get sick and spread diseases to the rest of us. My family came over on the boat from Italy in 1911 and went through legally. My brother whose wife came from Thailand ten years ago took three years of paperwork and almost ten thousand dollars to get here and become an American citizen, they did it the right way, not crossing the borders illegally or getting a work visa to work here for a year and disappear and hide in the u.s for years until found and kicked out for not going through the process the right way. Some immigrants have been here, say, for twenty years and have been here illegally, now we have a president who wants to clean up this country by getting theses illegal people that been hiding and beating the system. There not bad people but they are sucking this country dry. What about the million people that enter this country that go through the process of becoming a citizen the right way every year, I’m for that. There will always be someone getting hurt, you can’t do anything about that. It’s time to get this country back and I’m not for how it’s being done by the trump administration but I understand why he’s doing what he’s doing. And I’m not going to get into the many other things trump is doing that I don’t like but I’m willing to give him a chance to try to resolve the problems we have in this country right now. I live in a very big city where growing up was great,,, now I see the crime has tripled, I can’t go into town where there is gangs with guns wanting to shoot me for my money and most of those gangs are Cubans, Haitians, South Americas, and Mexicans taking over the streets selling drugs and doing crime because they don’t want to work for a living. I can go on. You ever seen the movie Scarface with Al Pacino, that’s what it’s like to live here in the cities, oh and by the way Scarface was filmed mostly in ft,lauderdale and in Miami where I live. That’s what it’s like to live here now dodging bullets.
By phart [Ignore] 06,Jun,25 13:41 other posts 
but anannas will tell you that you should just walk up to the gunman shooting and explain why what he is doing is wrong and that he can go the social services office and get a free cell phone and some food stamps and it would fix the violence.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 06,Jun,25 13:50 other posts 
You can see what I told him below.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 09,Jun,25 00:47 other posts 
@ Phart@ Oh, Phart, how did life go so wrong with you? My condolences.
First off; Googling is good. If you are not completely sure about the facts, you're being much more responsible if you check the facts, than I you just express your feelings. If you don't check facts, what are your feelings based on?

You're giving me examples of a fantasy. There are not 16 times more people coming to your country that live in it. They are also not getting free medical. People who are truly illegal get nothing. Maybe if they drop from a roof that they are fixing, you might save their lives, but other than that they get nothing. Do you have any numbers on how much that costs?

"Don’t believe everything thing you hear on the news, it’s not as bad as you think or hear."

Most undocumented immigrants DO pay taxes. Just ask ChatGPT and check its sources.
According to a 2024 report by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP), undocumented immigrants paid approximately $96.7 billion in taxes in 2022:
- Federal Taxes: $59.4 billion, including income and payroll taxes.
- State and Local Taxes: $37.3 billion, encompassing sales, excise, property, and income taxes.
On average, this amounts to about $8,889 per undocumented immigrant.
They are however almost never eligible for social security.
They have not been sucking you dry, it's the other way around.

As I clearly stated, many immigrants that Trump is disappearing ARE NOT ILLEGAL. I would have no problem with it, if he actually deported illegal people,
just out of the country, NOT to a prison in El Salvador.

Just like phart a.o., you keep thinking that I am OK with illegal immigration. I'M NOT!
I'm not OK with your methods, because they are brutal and criminal.
They are still human beings. Most of them have never hurt anyone. I just told you that most of them have not committed a crime or at best a misdemeanor by being in your country. They are looking for a better life and many are working harder than you probably ever have. Still, you keep defending how they are ALL treated, by describing them ALL as the worst tiny minority.

If they are all lazy criminals, then why are your harvests of fruit and vegetables rotting on the fields, when they fled for ICE?

Do you have actual crime statistics to support what you're saying.

To get a biased answer, supporting rising crime, I asked ChatGPT:
"How much did crime go up in the US in the last 3 decades?"
The answer was long, but I'll give you the first sentence:
"Over the past three decades, crime rates in the United States have generally declined, despite some fluctuations during specific periods."

So how come that statistics aren't supporting your feelings?

I even asked about Miami:
"What is the trend of crime rates in Miami, Florida, US?"
The beginning of the answer: "Crime rates in Miami, Florida, have experienced notable fluctuations over the past few years, with recent data indicating a downward trend in both violent and property crimes."

Why don't you try ChatGPT or Grok or any other AI with the question:
"How much of the crime in Miami, Florida is committed by illegal or undocumented immigrants?"
By phart [Ignore] 06,Jun,25 14:31 other posts 
so are you calling Cody a liar? hell he is telling how life is in the very city he lives in, just as you do with the picture of a snow globe neighborhood with kids running around like Guineas in the rain, not even looking where they are going like zombies.
what are his feelings based on? i am willing to bet the same damn thing mine are, from what he sees and hears and feels with his own eyes and ears.
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 08:21 other posts 
I'm sure he believes it, but he IS repeating lies.

He's telling me how he feels. His feelings are not based on verifiable facts.

He told me: "Don’t believe everything thing you hear on the news, it’s not as bad as you think or hear." about the police. He didn't show me verifiable facts, he just told me his feelings. Now he tells me feelings again, and I present him verifiable facts, in return. If you want to argue against those verifiable facts, present me verifiable facts, or at least reliable data that contradicts them. You don't do that, you are just telling me that you know better. You don't !
You cannot SEE how much tax-dollars are going to illegals and how much taxes they pay. You cannot SEE the difference between an illegal and a x-ed generation poor brown American. You are just telling me prejudices, based on lies.

His and your feelings are based on 24/7 fear-mongering, from right-wing 'news'.
Their reporting is proven false over and over, but you chose to believe it anyway.

As far as your own eyes and ears are concerned, they see and hear LIES.
You hardly leave your home. How do you see anything happening in real life?

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If our neighborhoods look like a "snow globe neighborhood" to you, then there is something wrong with your neighborhoods. Most of our neighborhoods look like that. There are of course poorer areas, but even in the poorest ones, I can still walk around at only slightly elevated risk of walking into someone who wants to rob me or mug me. If your neighborhoods are a death trap, that's not because of immigrants, that's because of your own ideas, that people don't deserve anything. Your GDP is much higher than ours, but you can't have nice neighborhoods?
How about INVESTING in people, to better everyone? YOU DON'T WANT TO !!
It has nothing to do with immigrants, they are just the scapegoat you are using.

You have definitely more dangerous neighborhoods than we have. But you've had them for a very long time. That's by choice. It's still not true that crime has risen, it's still not true that illegals are doing that, it's still not true that illegals are taking your taxes. It's ALL your own politics.

I didn't say that our kids ARE "running around like Guineas in the rain", I said
that our neighborhoods are DESIGNED for kids to be ABLE to do that.
Why do you feel the need to twist everything?
By phart [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 09:00 other posts 
safe and not being taught to look out for danger go together, you can't be safe if you are not taught to look for danger.
as for cody speaking feelings, i have a strong notion you are wrong there. i am not in my house 24-7, not by a long shot, i just avoid dangerous areas and situations i feel uncomfortable in.

investments have been made in people, people have been given second,third and forth chances by our courts, by charitys,and etc. that 1 bastard that was in my high school class , has been in jail over 20 times, rehab over 40 times and has restraining orders from several churches because he tried to rob the preachers. he held a 44 magnum to his mothers head for her wedding ring,hocked it for dope money. he has been given so many chances, and blew every fucking 1 of them. i saw it, i saw what he did to a freinds life starting her on dope and so on. feelings my ass, i see it,i hear it,i feel it. you are the 1's that can't see anything past your snow globe. maybe it needs to be shaken a bit to remind you that this is not paradise
By Ananas2xLekker [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 09:06 other posts 
Oh, here's an idea, make the maximum speed in neighborhoods 100 mph
and put big saws on all the cars, so the kids learn how to be safe.

We do teach kids how to look out for danger. Parents still have time to do that
in my country, because they don't both have to work multiple jobs to feed them.

How do you know how to avoid "dangerous areas"?
What do those "dangerous areas" look like?

Why are you worried about a 44 magnum? Guns don't kill people, right?

You are saying that Americans are just worse than Dutch people, are you?
Why else would it work out better in my country?

If it's "the illegals", how come we don't have your problem?
We don't have a border wall, we don't have border protection, there are lots
of poor countries all around us. We have a war on our continent, you don't. Explain why I don't have to avoid "dangerous areas".
By phart [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 19:10 other posts 
no teach the kids to stay out of the road where cars travel and teach car operators to stay the hell off the sidewalk.
everything has it's place, sidewalk and playgrounds for kids, parking lots and roads and streets for cars, buses, trucks, etc.

i am not worried about the gun, i explained what a fellow i know did with 1. i aint defenseless, I will put it that way and leave it.
i could be accused of fuddism but i know what works best for my situation.

as for dangerous places i stay away from, there are sections of town with a majority population of people in almost everytown that white people avoid.plain and simple. violence,drug related shootings and what not happen all the time.most of the time in the streets and parking lots of so called affordable housing.i stay away from those places. i stay away from shopping malls past 2pm, for similar reasons.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 19:35 other posts 
Cody8789, in your post that starts with this
"I didn’t vote for trump, let’s get that up front, I’m not defending what he does or am I saying it’s right. I’m not googling my answers either, I say what I believe in."
Cody, While some news sources have discussed potential significant tax increases if certain legislation expires, it's important to understand the context:
IRS Penalties: One source points out a significant surge in IRS penalties on American taxpayers, nearing 300% in the past year. This refers to penalties, not necessarily an increase in overall tax rates.
Cody, you pay thousands for medical treatment? That's funny because the most you pay with health insurance for most procedures is in the hundreds. And I know. I worked at Baptist Health Hospital for 20 yrs in accounts receivable.
The biggest problem is corporate greed of farmas and doctors.
In 1911 you could literally walk into the US and no one would have said a thing. Immigration laws were almost non existent.
These illegals are not beating the system. They found a way to co-exist. They try to work and they certainly DO pay some taxes. You swallowed the MAGA and right-wing dogma that illegals are the reason for ALL that ails this country.
How about the fact that most Americans are functionally illiterate? How about the fact that this country is more concerned with sexual preference or what bathroom to use while kids are STARVING in the richest country in the world?
What he's doing IS the problem. The purpose may be right but the method is all wrong. No one wants illegals, but there's a LEGAL way to get them out. He's destroying the meaning of the Constitution and no one is doing anything about it.
Cody, that's mostly untrue. I live in South Florida just like you. I have no problems, nor do I encounter, all these "gangs".
I go out every day to see friends, family and do shopping. I go out to dinner and entertainment. I don't have to worry about some gang trashing my city. Yes, there are some iffy areas that I wouldn't go into at night but there's no place I can't travel through in the daytime.
And this is the same as any other major metropolitan area, not just in the US but all over the world. And Broward county is no different. If you are so scared to go out then I suggest you move to a little town in the middle of the panhandle. You know what type. The type where crime is the farmer doing something naughty with the sheep.
Scarface is a MOVIE. You know as well as I do that's not the way it is and before you say you live in Broward and I live in Miami Dade, let me remind you that South Florida is a continuous "city" from Homestead to West Palm Beach.
In short, Cody, you are just full of BS.
Google, for some reason, has a bad reputation with you rightees, but, whether you like it or not, they are just a search engine and what comes up is just facts.
I don't carry every fact in my head and I am secure enough to accept that I do need somewhere to find facts. You should try it.
No offense meant Cody. You just are wrong.
By CAT52! [Ignore] 08,Jun,25 11:07 other posts 
Cody, even the American Indian migrated from Asia when there was a solid strip of land connecting Asia with North America


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