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Police stood around with their thumbs up their ass's while the town burned.Now the taxpayers are hit with it all. Suffering twice for the same shit.Sue the cops,and sue the city officals as individuals and hold THEM responsible .They are the 1's that chose to do nothing.The tax payers could only watch the loss of everything
Just sitting back doing NOTHING is not a viable option. I don't know how much insurance you have on stuff but claims make it go up.
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I have never donated to a gofund me page.I will have to see how that works.
Why was a murderer out on bond? why does that even happen?
Why is it even LEGAL for a murderer to be out before a trial or sentance?
Do you understand the concept of innocent until proven guilty?
And then right-wingers pretend to care about 'law and order'.
Do you understand how it feels to bury someone you care about and the person witnesses watched kill them is walking around free as a bird?
it hurts like hell and there is no justice for family in that at all.
Maybe the judge did decide incorrectly in this case, who knows.
But the subject didn't kill someone in this case, the subject got killed himself.
You have the right to disagree with the law and think that every suspect accused of murder or manslaughter should be locked up until their day in court, but it is not the law now. That sucks for the family or victims, but suspects have rights too. One right the law offers YOU TOO, is to not get punished for something you have not been proven guilty for (yet).
If it was so clear that the suspect was guilty, than the chances of him going to be punished was very high. Unless the suspect was very rich and could hire the best lawyers, who could get him off on a technicality. The US is pretty effective in sentencing people to prison. You have the highest incarceration percentage in the world.
We are talking about someone who took the law into their own hands, decided the punishment should be death and didn't want to take the chance that a judge would decide something else. He should be punished accordingly.
What I don’t understand is that that s man WAS KILLED BY A VIGILANTE WITH NO LEGAL RIGHT TO DO SO. His killer is just that, a murderer, and yet you guys are conveniently ignoring that. You are trying to excuse this killing by putting down the victim and the legal system. Fooey on you.
People are past fed up with the failed justice system in this country and want something done about it.
Had Calebs killer been behind bars, he would still be alive.So if you really want to blame someone for his death,blame the dipshits that let him out on bail and who paid the bail.
There are folks STILL in jail that visited the nations capitol on january 6th of 2021? If innocent until proven guilty is really your beleif,then why aren't you crying fowl over that issue as well?
IF I am not mistaken the constitution also gives us a right to a SPEEDY TRIAL!?? in which no one should be in jail for more than a couple weeks if there is a case strong enough to convict.
The laws were written at a point and time in history when life still had value. Now things have changed and nothing is done to stop crime. it is almost encouraged. Frankly it is to some degree because of little to no accountability for crimes committed.
I think the downfall of our justice system was shown to us early on when oj simpleson got off murdering 2 people then wrote a book about how "he might have done it".
It has been downhill since
Our system of law is not perfect but it’s much better than other countries. Many good democracies use the Napoleonic system. In that system, you are guilty to start and you have to prove your innocence.
You say nothing is done to stop crime yet every day I hear or read how cops stopped a criminal or criminals. Jails are full and courtrooms are crowded. At the same time, funding is short and many big cities don’t have enough personnel to cover crime areas 24/7. People like you scream that crime is rampant yet complain when a tax hike is proposed. This is one of the few countries in the world where public problems can be solved with the vote, yet few take the advantage promised by the Constitutional rights.
Prisons do not need to look like the Taj mahal. A simple tin building in a fenced in lot would work.
Many people don't. Some of them are cops.
That's the problem BLM is protesting.
Is all of that current or proposed?
In any case, it sounds like you are referring to 'Community Oversight' and 'Independently Investigate & Prosecute'. There are 8 more proposals to reduce police violence and police overreach in the Campaign Zero Solutions:
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Campaign Zero has solutions to train the police and turn them back into the civil servants they should be, to protect people, instead of the violent mob it is now.
The 'defund' stands for the idea that the police won't do some jobs anymore.
Some of the money will go to other civil servants, who will do jobs like:
- calm down your demented granny and bring her home
- get a cat out of a tree
- talk to your neighbor when his dog keeps you up at night
- retrieve an autistic kid that has ran away
- talk to a couple with marriage problems
- talk to neighbors who fill up their yard with trash
- give a warning to some teens partying on a bench
Instead of assault rifles, they will get straight jackets and tranquilizers, etc.
Then the police has the time to save your life, when you need them to.
They will do their job of catching dangerous criminals. Then their military training
is used appropriately, instead of against the public. It might be you some day.
Where in the plans do you see the idea of taking cops off the streets?
Police violence affects white people too. Why does it make you so angry?
I don't feel up to alot of typeing right now but let me explain the issue with this.
I had to call the law on the nieghbors down the road a couple months ago as the "loving"hubby had knocked hell out of his dope head wife and she ask to borrow our phone and instead of calling the law she called family. I called the law and they went and checked on the situation. Neither wanted to press charges and yada yada.I spoke to the deputy later that told me there was clear signs of problems but they couldn't do anything. IF it had just been the 2 adults, i would have not called the law but there is 2 kids, 4 and 6 in the house,and they should be taken AWAY from there yesterday.
Most of the time when there is a marriage dispute,guns are drawn if outsiders come in. you don't want unarmed counselors getting gunned down do you?
Off course you don't send a counselor to a domestic hostage situation. But anything less than that, you do, if needed accompanied by a cop. Wouldn't you call earlier, when they are just shouting a lot, if you knew they would get help, instead of giving them the risk of being gunned down?
For counseling jobs like that, you don't send a small woman, but a guy who can handle himself. Maybe an ex-cop who decided he wants to do more for society, than just gun-down criminals.
But they are definitely not in any way up to the task of protecting you.
They are there to 'control and suppress', not to 'serve and protect'.
Sure, they take criminals off the streets, but with a lot of collateral damage.
The way your police is organized and trained is part of your system, responsible for the United States having the highest rate of incarceration in the world, beating authoritarian regimes like China and Russia.
Your society forces the most of the poor, desperate, untreated mentally ill, stupid, violent, selfish, and lazy people into crime, homelessness or both.
Then you try to clean up the devastation with repression. That's why you need all those cops and prisons and you still don't manage to keep the downtrodden from crime, drugs and prostitution. And even after that mass incarceration,
you still don't manage to keep the unbeaten citizens safe.
If you want to 'serve and protect' citizens, cops are the last resort.
They only flush away the citizens your country neglected.
You're attacking a strawman, because I already said you don't send a counselor (alone) to a potentially dangerous situation. There are situations that call for a SWAT team and situation that can be handled by normal cops. So there are also situations where you can send mental health care professionals.
You're still thinking that people want to 'abolish the police'. There is only a tiny number of people who want that, and I am certainly not one of them.
In The Netherlands we have more police than in the US. We need a few more, but what I mostly want is them being assigned to actual crime, like saving people from criminals, and go after organized crime, instead of them bothering normal people.
It's a choice to keep all drugs illegal. If you legalize, tax and regulate weed and XTC for everyone above 18 y.o. and other drugs for existing drug users, criminals don't make money from it anymore. It's the illegality that creates the criminals. It's also much easier to help people get off from drugs, if they are not fearing jail for their addiction.
You tell me why weed is more wrong than alcohol and why it needs to be illegal. And what is wrong about prostitution? Aren't all the problems with prostitution caused by it being illegal? It's legal in The Netherlands and we have much less prostitution. Even if you think it's wrong, it's still better to legalize it.
And you have said nothing about the US having the highest incarceration percentage. Why is that? Do you want to change it or do you like it like that?
Unless you were in a situation like I was back in 1986,you may not understand.We got a call to a house fire. We responded, and were having to hide behind the fire truck until the cops got there because the angry husband was trying to burn the house down and we were the first 1's there,not knowing he had a gun. Dodgeing bullets aint fun..
Don't you have laws to limit what idiots do?
Or should the police be allowed to do whatever they want?
1, military surplus for police. I think it is a great idea for vehicals and such to be passed down to the police.Trucks and generators and light amoured trucks.The equipment was paid for by tax dollars.Military replaces stuff LONG before it is ever worn out and the old is sold or scraped for less than pennys on the dollar. Why should police departments on small town budgets or county budgets, have to pay full retail for a truck and then convert it for use in tactical situations when they can buy well maintained equipment from the federal government for dirt cheap? Sure,the armored truck is a bit heavier than anything that would threaten it from the citizenry but it cost ALOT less, and also displays a authoritive image to deter crime. For a similar example of cost savings ,Our local fire department has a issue with response to parts of the district due to flooding. A 5 ton military truck capable of driving thru almost 4 feet of water was purchased in great mechanical condition with new tires for 12,000 dollars. A slide water tank with pump is being built for it to respond to fire calls within the area that is blocked by flood waters,along with the rescue boat rack that can be slid in the back.
I have no idea what the conversion cost would be to buy a consumer or commercial truck and convert it to be able to run in deep water.It would be more that 12 grand I can assure you.THat just gives a perspective on what the police are saving using military surplus.
As for buying motars and rockets,
High incarceration rate? We need to be contracting the prison system out to mexico or china. They could do the job of keeping the dangerous people off our streets much cheaper . And when the crooks did their time and were allowed back home to America,they would appreciate the freedom and MOST would probably clean up their act.
Think about this; If your country was that great to live in and really offers the optimum of freedom, why are so many Americans doing drugs and why do you need to imprison so many people?
Just giving them total freedom to use them to kill, without any repercussions, that's the problem.
And how about if we intensively train all the cops to use tanks, mortars,
chain guns and fighter planes, is it OK then? Or don't we trust them to use
those weapons in line with the motto 'to protect and serve'?
Which is problematic. Any harm to suspects or any dubious actions should be reported by the department, but then independent investigator should decide whether a police officer should be indicted. It makes sure popular police officers are handled to the same standards as the other and unpopular or critical police officers don't get canceled under false pretenses.
If the complaints do not go to the cops, but to an 'independent panel', including any paperwork about incidents were the public got hurt, that will fix a lot.
At least, if that 'independent panel' has enough man power, authority and persistence. It's not absolutely necessarily to fix the problems with the police, but the alternative is fixing police culture. And there is nothing more difficult than changing a culture.
It starts with an investigation, possibly charges and then off course it goes into the legal system where the indictments take place. Right?
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