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Scientists understood "the greenhouse effect" very well 40 years ago.
when that didn't pan out it became global warming, now it is climate change, so rather or not if it is snowing or scorching outside your door they are covered in their little charade.
And it wasn't about CO2, but about aerosol air pollution, which is actually causing an about 0.7° F (0.4 °C) lower global average temperature, than otherwise would be.
That effect is just completely obliterated by the global warming from the CO2.
Climate change IS global warming, but with the secondary effects included, which are much more than just warming. It's a term for people who don't understand why a few degrees higher GLOBAL AVERAGE temperature would matter.
You still have never explained the record high CO2 concentration.
A higher CO2 concentration will increase the temperature of a planet, that's just physics.
Without greenhouse gasses, Earth would have an average surface temperature of 0°F.
Humanity would be fucked without CO2 and with too much CO2.
That's nature; it requires a careful balance or it goes astray.
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Aerosol particles also shape the climate as they circulate in the atmosphere. Some of these particles can reflect sunlight, helping to cool the atmosphere. Other aerosol particles absorb heat from sunlight, causing the atmosphere to warm.
Aerosol particles affect the Earth's climate by acting as the seeds on which clouds form. Clouds reflect sunlight, helping to cool the atmosphere. More aerosol particles can lead to more, but smaller, cloud droplets. This may reduce the rain that falls from that cloud.
All of these effects make climate change more difficult to predict accurately, but that doesn't retract from the fact that CO2 absorbs infrared light, which results in heat being trapped in the atmosphere instead of it being emitted back into space.
“ I see more people sitting at home, cranking up the air conditioners. no one seems to be able to stand 1 degree of discomfort anymore, this is what I see... all these protesters gluing them selves to the street don't really get the message across, only that theyre a bunch of disruptive uni students trying to get their faces on the tele... the world on a whole is so wasteful when using its finite resources and not a great deal is invested in making things from recycled materials to stop waste..
every generation blames the one before and no one wants to pick up the tab of cleaning it up and stopping it from happening.. crikey, grown educated humans still cant sort waste from recyclables in bins ... yet they can claim fame to being the most intelligent generation of all time??? how is this so??? *Lix*‘
I agree, but what do you think it would take, to make our politicians listen to them?
I carry my own garbage to the dump because the 3 different trucks that come by operated by the same company won't take a occasional tire or a few pieces of wood or whatever but 1 day a year. 3 truck come by,1 company has the contract, a monopoly, charge way to much and won't take everything you need to chunk. plastic bottles in 1 can, paper in can, and other in the other can. 3 trucks .and if you follow them to the dump, 2 go into the landfill as it is cheaper to just bury the shit that recycle it. tax money only goes so far in cost .and when county officials can vote themselves raises, no money left to melt the plastic.
Now,with that 1 problem of plastic bottles, a simple affordable idea is to reuse containers made of GLASS that returned to the store and credited to your bill. No extra fuel to haul them, no melting the shit and remaking a object, just a simple haul it back to where it came from,wash it,refill it. a empty truck goes back to the dairy or the drink company, it could haul the emptys back.
Oh, I am sorry, we used that idea for decades and some dumbass thought it was easier to melt plastic and stink up the air!
that's a example of why people like me don't pay folks that glue themselves to the street any attention. Alot of good ideas have been pushed aside by their kind and replaced with "recycle" instead of reuse,rebuild,refurbish,
Computers work fine long after the "software" is out of date, that should stop. imagine having to build new cars and buses every 10 years because the roads suddenly are no longer maintained and supported? stupid.
Affordable is relative. If the alternative is death, any price is affordable.
That's also a reference to your healthcare costs, which are the highest in the world, because you leave it up to the market to decide how much profit you can make on desperate people.
I also think a lot of people get further away from listening to a message, if it's given by people who annoy people who just want to get to work. That's why I would not join such actions. My party does political activism a lot, but we always make sure to bother the people who create the problem and not the rest of the public. It's politicians who are not doing anything, so it's politicians who should be bothered every single day, until they start listening.
Think of this; if they really think inaction is going to kill everyone, than why are they still doing nonviolent protesting? You can say about MAGA whatever you want, but they are not afraid of using violence. "You won't have a country anymore!" is enough persuasion to get them up in arms. It wasn't even true, but they scared the pants off
all politicians. Luigi Maggioni alone showed insurance CEO's that people are fed up.
Did Extinction Rebellion learn something from that? Just saying. Your side is not the only side who has 2nd amendment rights. Is your side really willing to step in front of
a bullet, to defend Exxon mobile and Shell executives or oil lobbyists?
As for wealthy oil execs and such, they can afford security. And should have the right to protect themselves.
This is where Extinction Rebellion is effective, and why they do it this way,
but I don't think their attention is motivating people to listen.
The best non-violent activism is what gets people to laugh or like you.
Then of course you need to follow it up with a clear message.
But you should see the reactions that Maggioni has encouraged. Most people acknowledge what he did was wrong, but a large majority shows hate towards the insurance industry and the people leading it to screw people over for profit.
Just today I saw someone calling him The Punisher on Facebook. And don't think those are just lefties and they are certainly not liberals. I think most of them voted
for Trump in this election. I'm sure you are meeting people who are even openly supportive of Maggioni or the idea of killing some of those robber barons.
People are angry, they just don't understand who they need to be angry with.
Of course execs have the right to protect themselves. But if they think they are safe, if the pitchforks are coming, they are kidding themselves. The fact that people are even considering a type like Trump shows that. They think he will destroy the system, but once they recognize he is also just a robber baron and his administration is filled with robber barons, who are just looking out for themselves, watch out, because the fuse is lit and that powder keg will explode. Most people want a better life for themselves and their children, they don't want to be serfs to a king, like you think they want. You know the biggest issue that people were saying made them vote for Trump, was inflation and the ability afford groceries. Even you said so. If Trump ends up screwing them, and makes them suffer even more, and it's looking like he will, people will turn on him, like you've never seen. See that anger flip the other way.
Trump is playing with fire. It can burn down the country and it can burn him.
If people haven't heard about climate change by now, they are deaf,dead or under a very heavy rock.
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Tossed out of court. New york was just looking to gouge the big oil companys out of some money
It's true that those oil companies are paying for the propaganda that you gobble up like candy though. Forcing them to pay for some of the damage they are doing wouldn't be that bad. If you still don't accept climate change, at least accept that Texans are breathing toxic air and many people cannot drink the tap water because it's pure poison. You need to suffer a lot for that oil and gas, while the alternatives are so much less polluting and cheaper.
And the water in mexico has been bad for decades, so it is not wonder the water in texas is bad because there is just a invisible line between the 2 spots.
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"Numerous studies link childhood lead exposure to a range of cognitive and behavioral deficits, including low IQ, impulsivity, juvenile delinquency, and criminal behavior in adolescence and early adulthood."
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The price of PV is now 29% lower than the cheapest fossil fuel alternative.
You don't have that cheapest fossil fuel alternative; you need fracking.
Michigan has a law requiring the replacement of lead service lines in homes across the state. This law was passed in 2018 in response to the Flint Water Crisis, a public health crisis that contaminated drinking water with lead.
but it was the fracking that turned the water acidic, devolving the lead.
Oh, by the way, that's a clear example of failing Republican policies.
Pollution from fracking and failing to replace lead pipes are not forces of nature.
Wildfires, because of a drought, in the middle of winter, with 100 mph storms,
are not failing policies. They 'raked the forests' like crazy, but nature cannot
be tamed, especially not with climate change making it more extreme.
California under Newsom invested $2.5 billion to ramp up and implement the Wildfire and Forest Resilience Action Plan. At some point forest management and crisis readiness is not going to cut it anymore. You will need corridors of 10 miles between every patch of trees and they will still all burn downs spontaneously. The only way to prevent wildfires would be to cut down all the forests.
Everything is possible in relation to the start of those wildfires, but a fact is that California was BONE DRY this year, while last year they even had floods.
That's nature, if you accept climate change or not. There is no amount of forest management, that can prevent forest fires, when it's bone dry. There is no fire fighting force that can stop wildfires all over the place, during droughts combined with 100 mph storms.
Next time some red states get leveled by a record hurricane, do you want me to say "Fuck them, they should have built stronger houses!"?
When Florida was in trouble they all came to help. You were crying that they weren't doing enough, which was a lie too. Now you are lying to find a reason
to do nothing for California.
So... You can't build houses in Florida no more?
How about Texas, Louisiana, North Carolina, South Carolina, Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi. Those are all states that can get leveled by a hurricane.
Maybe even next summer.
If people cannot rely on the government anymore, when a huge 'natural' disaster destroys their homes, they all want to move to places with less risk of 'natural' disasters. What do you think will happen to those states, if there is a mass exodus? And what would happen to those safer states, where all those people want to live? Think of what it would mean to your country.
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10 times, hell, they never have to paint or update their plumbing or anything, when it gets old it gets washed away and the gov comes back and makes it new, in the same damn spot???
Even the Bible speaks of not building your castles in the sand but here it shows how folks can get permits to rebuild right back on the OCEAN FRONT. WHY??Just WHY would you invest your life savings into a house that will fall like a deck of cards to water and wind in the sand?'
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The current fires in california, they really need to look at their landscape,the chance of more wind, and rebuild accordingly if at all in the same spot. wouldn't you think it would be wiser to move to a area with adequate water and build a house to withstand fires and earthquakes ?
And you can build houses in Florida, Texas, Louisiana, North Carolina,
South Carolina, Alabama, Georgia and Mississippi, as long as they're hurricane proof and flood-proof.
That's all getting very expensive. And that's just the houses and other buildings. That ancient power grid of yours is very vulnerable to wildfires
and hurricanes too. Who's going to pay for that?
When I told you about renewable energy, to reduce carbon emissions,
to keep climate change from getting worse and worse and worse,
you worried about the costs. I told you not doing it would become
more expensive. Is that already sinking in a bit?
By that time, some middle easterner that woke up with his goat missing and will blast a bunch of nukes or something for revenge against the thief and climate change won't matter any more. besides, the materials to build a more fire proof house, are not that much more exspensive, concrete walls instead of wood, steel roof instead of shingles, steel beams driven into the ground for support instead of concrete footings. wouldn't really be that much of a transition.
I'm moving up North!".
"Reducing carbon emissions is not going to reduce the amount of storms
we have or anything else more than likely, and if it did,it would be years!" Probably decades or longer, depending on how much we reduce carbon emission. At the moment, the world is still INCREASING carbon emissions. That WILL increase storms and everything else.
True, if we nuke ourselves to extinction, climate change won't matter any more. There are many more ways for humanity to destroy itself. It's also possible aliens blow up Earth tomorrow. That's no reason to guarantee our extinction, just because oil companies want to keep making profits. Billionaires can make profits from renewable energy too, if you're more worried about them than humanity itself.
check back again next week ,perhaps we will have some more educational content!
So to what stage of climate denialism will you go in your inevitable reaction?
Stage 1: Deny the Problem Exists
Stage 2: Deny We're the Cause
Stage 3: Deny It's a Problem
Stage 4: Deny We can Solve It
Stage 5: It's too Late
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You think a cow farts less than a human, even a vegan eating nothing but beans?
A single cow produces between 154 to 264 pounds of methane gas per year.
I don't want to be around the person who beats that.
The feed to meat ratio for cows is between 8-12 pound per pound (or kg/kg).
That means a person needs to fart 8 to 12 times more per pound (or kg) of
plant-based food, than a cow does, to make up for the vegetarian who farts
more than a meat-eater. You're funny, but your math sucks.
There are 1.55 billion cows in the world. You can be sure that they fart a lot more than the 8.2 billion people alive today, even if we all switch to nothing but beans.
Methane is 28 times more potent as a greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.
The current CO2 concentration is 423.30 ppm (parts per million).
The current CH4 concentration is 1932.24 ppb (parts per billion).
That's 1.93224 ppm (factor 1:1000).
That makes CO2 a bigger contributor to climate change, because there is 219 times less CH4 than CO2 in the atmosphere. Even though CH4 is 28 times more potent,
it contributes 7.8 times ( 219/28 ) LESS to global warming.
Scientists have replaced the term "global warming" with the term "climate change", because of all the side effects of higher temperatures, like more extreme weather events (storms, hurricanes, tornadoes, showers, hailstorms, lightning strikes, droughts, heat-waves and even more extreme local cold spells), causing secondary effects like floods, mudslides, wildfires, melting of snow and ice on the oceans and land and rising sea levels (expanding water and melting land ice), dried up rivers
and lakes, desalination of the oceans -> reducing the thermohaline circulation.
"Yes, human-produced methane is significantly harming the climate, as methane is a potent greenhouse gas that contributes considerably to global warming. Therefore reducing human-produced methane is crucial for mitigating climate change. "
So stop farting!NOW.
Those cows are not wild animals, they are our food.
Methane is indeed a more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide.
The CH4 molecule (methane) has more bonds between atoms than CO2 molecule (carbon dioxide), and that means it can twist and vibrate in more ways, while absorbing infrared light, on its way in and out of the Earth’s atmosphere.
Absorbing infrared light -> increasing temperature. It's just plain physics.
In any case; yes every fart you let go is increasing climate change a bit.
The problem is that there's 8.2 billion people farting.
Farting is just not at all the biggest contributor to climate change.
It's the burning of fossil fuels that's the issue, and increasingly; wildfires.
"According to Cathy Whitlock at Montana State University, it "offers us a window into past conditions at high elevations since you won't see Whitebark pine (Pinus albicaulis) growing at this elevation today - that's because the climate was warmer back when these trees grew".
Uh warmer 6000 years ago than it is NOW??? Um, OH, further down it explains VOLCANOS spewed stuff into the air preventing the sun from coming in and cooled off the earth! So i guess climate change activist will be seeding volcanos to make them erupt to cool down the earth next??
at about +0.6°C and slowly decreased to the +0.0°C around 2000 years ago.
That was at least 5000 years for that snow and ice to come back.
We have now seen an increase of the global average temperature between 1.5°C
and 2.0°C IN 50 YEARS!! That's a higher increase, in 1:100 of the time.
The last ice age was at it's lowest temperature -7°C (relative to pre-industrial global average, which is actually 13.7°C (56.7°F) -> 6.7°C (44.1°F)), 17,600 years ago.
At that time, it snowed in the SUMMER, in as far south as Dallas or Chicago.
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Average global temperatures in 2024 ranked highest in the 145-year record,
1.54°C (2.77°F) above the early industrial (1881-1910) baseline average.
The reason: The atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and methane continued to increase and reached record annual levels in 2024, at 422 parts per million (ppm) and 1897 parts per billion (ppb) respectively. The last time Earth's CO2 levels have been so high was roughly 3 million years ago. They have beaten the levels of the intermediate warm periods between the last 5 ice ages, in the last 450,000 years.
NOAA is giving a 4% chance that 2025 will surpass 2024 as the hottest year on record and a 96% chance that it will be a top-five hottest year.
You would think barry would be trying to unload his property if the shit were true. Thousand years, who gives a shit about that. I think others will come of with better ideas in that time.
Google is NOT a good search engine when you want unbiased facts.
Duckduck go is less biased and will provide more into than you find on google.
our lives are so controlled by al gore rhythm's. The insurance exc that got shot the other day, had put into service a al gore rhythm to deny care to sick people.
Notice i stretched the word algorithm and miss spelled to reinforce my statement? Al gore, he has pushed this climate change crap and now you seldom see any thing of him.
The proof is on my page
As greenhouse gas emissions blanket the Earth, they trap the
sun's heat. This leads to global warming and climate change.
The world is now warming faster than at any point in recorded
history. Warmer temperatures over time are changing weather
patterns and disrupting the usual balance of nature.
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Global warming is not about the temperatures at the poles.
It's about the heating of the atmosphere causing melts in
areas where the averages might still be below 0* C (32* F) but
there's a longer time or higher temperature on the plus side of
the mean curve.
This causes glaciers to melt faster and, due to warmer ocean
currents under the ice caps to melt to the point of breaking off.
All that ice in liquid or solid form is what's making the ocean
levels to rise. Not by feet but by inches.
But, all people see and, may I add, in a very short sided way,
is that it the coastline stays fairly the same.
That is not the main immediate problem with global warming.
It's the other effects. As ocean waters become warmer, more
intense are the cyclonic storms. Also, those semi arid areas like the southwestern parts of the United States, are becoming dryer
and in drought.
But, let's get back to the rise in ocean levels.
A two-inch rise in ocean level would likely result in more
frequent and severe coastal flooding, particularly during
high tides, leading to increased erosion of beaches, inundation
of low-lying areas, and potential damage to infrastructure,
especially in vulnerable coastal communities; even a small
rise can significantly impact coastal ecosystems and displace
wildlife due to the increased saltwater intrusion.
This is exactly what's taking place, RIGHT NOW, in Miami Beach
and all the barrier islands from the Key West to Maine and beyond.
I don't have to remind you how severe and frequent hurricanes
have been in the last twenty years.
Yes, Brian_Mansion, if you look at an ice cube in the
freezer it will stay the same, but, you take that ice cube
and place it on a plate inside the refrigerator, where the
temperature is just a few degrees above freezing, and it
will melt in hours.
Freezers don't have climate changes.
Bottom line is this. You don't have to believe in global warming.
It occurs still and, because mankind is accelerating the process
by our release of chemicals into the atmosphere, future generations
will see the changes sooner.
Ancient Greeks believe in the existence of the atom,
but it wasn't until two hundred plus years ago that we
formally recognized what an atom is. Global warming is the same.
You, guys, don't trust Google, but it's not about trust. It's about
fact checking what Google brings to the table. Google is just a search
engine. There are many more. I believe that because search
engines don't agree with your views, views that are based on
personal experience and not in scientific facts, you put down
the search engine instead of your own beliefs.
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Fucking 17 degrees outside and you are still pushing global warming.
But, even so, the search engine part is still reliable with a few caviats.
Your comprehension of global warming doesn't make sense. It's not going to give balmy weather in winter. But the average temperature for this time of the year over a few years might go from 17* F to 19* F. It's still f..ing cold. Just not that cold. Those two degrees difference in the average temperature makes a huge difference in the natural order of weather related events.
You are thinking "Right here, right now". It doesn't work like that.
You do notice I get to the point fairly quickly without the word salad.
Reality is actually following the worst case predictions. Every single one of the nine years from 2015 to 2023 are the warmest nine years on record. In November, they already confirmed that 2024 was certain to be the hottest year on record.
We have already passed the +1.5°C global temperature increase that the Paris Agreement of 2015 intended to prevent.
Your stupidity will be the death of us all. The only consolation for me, is that you will suffer and die much sooner than I, because you live in a warmer climate, in a country with the selfish wealthy people in full control, who you will allow to eat you to survive.
You know nothing, you want to know nothing, which means being ignorant.
You are unable to communicate any coherent thought, which means being stupid.
+1.4 degrees in damn near 200 years and their screaming bloody murder.
What a sad state we are currently living through when SO many have virtually ZERO common sense.
That +1.4 degrees is massively increasing the frequency of extreme weather events, like heat waves, droughts, hurricanes, floods and secondary effects like wildfires, because it's an AVERAGE!!!
It's also enough to melt most land ice in the summer and not have it refilled in the winter, which will dry up many rivers and desalinate the oceans. That is already slowing and in the future stopping the thermohaline circulation (global ocean current), which transfers heat from warm areas to cold areas. That's why the warm areas are becoming even hotter, while the cold areas are not warming up or even getting colder.
In global Earth history, a few degrees lower or higher isn't much, but humanity has only been occupying all of the Earth for a few hundred years. 7,000 years ago there were 5 million people. The last Ice age ended 13,000 years ago. When the climate acted up, humanity just moved to a better climate. And we just died, A LOT.
Now humanity has surpassed 8 BILLION! Every piece of land is occupied or used
for farming, to feed the population. If the climate acts up now, there is nowhere to go for BILLIONS OF PEOPLE. The people who used to migrate/flee to other areas then,
are now IMMIGRANTS. Temperature changes that are tiny on a geological scale are devastating to such a huge population. People will fight for food and a place to live. It's already becoming too hot for human survival in many areas. My Pakistani neighbors don't have the luxury to be ignorant about climate change, like you, because they see it clearly, when they visit their family. And that's only half way
to the equator. Billions of people will flee for their lives. It has only just begun.
Nearing 200 years and it's increased by 1.4 degrees.
Which is absolutely true. Good job pointing that out. 👏
Your conveniently leaving out the fact that the temps around the poles are consistently -73 to -68 degrees. Let's deduct that 1.4 increase and guess what moron... ITS STILL WAAAAAY BELOW FREEZING! Gotdamn your stupid! In other words... MELTING! Cannot occur until +33 degrees at minimum. Someone find him his dunce cap, please!
If you don't understand that, you're not qualified to debate it.
During the last ICE AGE, the global yearly average temperature was only 5°C colder than today. The Earth is warmer now than any time in the last 100,000 years.
How about basic personal observation? When I was young, I froze my nuts off every winter. I played in hills of snow, just in our backyard, making walls of ice for snowball fights. I could skate and ride my sleigh, almost every winter. I remember many winters, when there were icicles growing from the gutter and ice flowers on the windows.
In recent winters, I hardly need a winter coat. I've only seen some wet snow, at best,
for years now. How do you explain that, with your "common sense"?
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All you are doing is referring to someone writing a paper with some half-assed speculation, that no serious scientists ever supported. I hope you know there are also many papers describing a flat earth model and a magnetic or static electric universe as an alternative for gravity. Those are loons, not scientists.
However, you support the 0.1% loons, who don't agree with the 99.9% serious scientists, who confirm climate change is real and will cause huge devastation,
just like flat-earthers who point to their papers full of BS, to justify their belief.
The Y2K bug wasn't a hoax, IT-guys just worked hard to fix it.
It wasn't that difficult, just add 2 digits to every date,
starting with the most critical systems.
As someone who has some technical knowledge, I expected you
to understand the issue and the possible implications,
but they told you it was a hoax, so you just parrot that.
No independent thinking whatsoever, even about something you know.
I wouldn't say it's the simplest science, but it isn't quantum physics.
If you just understand the physics behind it, it's undeniable.
"What makes no sense is scientist tell us there was a ice age, and there was only
1 big continent and then it all separated and so on."
Really? These are all theories supported by an incredible amount of evidence, from several fields of science. You're basically at the level of doubting that electricity exists. It isn't far removed from being a flat-earther. You're now dismissing ALL SCIENCE. How do you thing civilization even progressed to the level we have reached today? Did they read the answers in the bible?
IT WAS ALL SCIENCE!!! It's not a few experts who you need to pick sides with,
it's a process of everyone who contributes to it complementing and checking each other, with facts and logic. The tiny side that you want to believe is completely refuted, by all the others who have checked them and refute their arguments,
with facts and logic. You keep using arguments that have been completely refuted (myth busted) decades ago.
Taxing you to oblivion is just stupid propaganda. That's what the wealthy tell you, because they don't want to pay a cent to save humanity. They rather spend trillions of your tax dollars to escape to Mars. That's why Elon bought Trump.
If Putin starts nuclear war, it's all over. Do you want to make sure
humanity is decimated or ended, even if Putin doesn't do that?
What do we do, give Putin everything he wants, because he has nukes?
Do you think Putin's demands will stop after we give him Ukraine?
Will he stop, after we showed him that we are all cowering for his power?
It's called the "Peak of Mount Stupid".
Strange how someone who works in an air-conditioned office cares more
about workers dying from heat stroke than those workers themselves.
It has been like that for hundreds of years.
You lot fuck up the world, and then people with brains
have to fix your damage again.
Well, maybe this time you win, and we cannot fix it anymore.
Apparently those with brains are just practicing.
Your air conditioner is doing alot of harm to the environment because of it's freon and energy usage. plus it is making a pussy out of you physically. So do you really have the "brains" in this scenario?
When are you going to understand that those people only care about themselves?
They want you to believe we cannot organize humanity, without all serving THEM!
1) Why would the "rich folks stop providing jobs"?
Their wealth is dependent on people working for them.
You think they are so smart, but it's all the people working for them who actually CREATE the value, not those 'rich folks'. They just TAKE the value.
2) We can replace the money from those 'rich folks I hate', with PUBLIC money that is DEMOCRATICALLY CONTROLLED. Instead of working on things that further increase the wealth of those 'rich folks I hate', we can all work on what benefits US ALL. That 'life saving technology' is not saving enough lives, because it's also mostly serving to further increase the wealth of those 'rich folks I hate'.
I KNOW poor people can't afford my salary and benefits. But we can afford
MUCH MORE THAN THEM, if we all work TOGETHER. If that money is not controlled by a few selfish assholes, but by EVERYONE DEMOCRATICALLY.
Sadly, you won't even give this a second thought, because those selfish assholes paid for your media to indoctrinate you, from birth, 24/7.
Democratic control is the difference between a big government controlling
its people and people controlling their government.
Who owns and controls "everything industrial" in your country?
What do YOU PERSONALLY own and control?
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