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if he didn't shit his pants, why else would he do the shuffle?
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the truth hurts sometimes when it is your own kind that actually commits the violence.
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Was it 'liberal ideology' that drove this person to their act?
The shooter left a manifesto revealing a deep fascination with past mass shooters and violent ideation, diaries and YouTube videos included drawings, journal entries, and imagery referencing mass murders, with hateful messages directed at Catholics, Jews, Trump, and multiple marginalized groups. Just because they also hated Trump, doesn't make them a liberal or lefty. Liberal and lefties don't hate Catholics, Jews and multiple marginalized groups. Investigators describe a chaotic, contradictory mix of hate, nihilism, and conspiracy-style thinking, which also included random slogans like “Mashallah” and references to Hitler. This suggests contradictory, shock-value extremism, not coherent ideology. Still, this kind of crazy happens much more in right-wing conservative circles, than on the left.
"The home environment was described as deeply Catholic, with elements of religious conservatism—neighbors recalled home-based prayer meetings, homeschooling on Saturdays, and strong anti-abortion activism by the mother."
Those parents are 100% Trump voters. They just melted their kid's brain.
Your side always immediately accuses the other side, and you never apologize.
as proof that he's still alive. Why would they do that, if he was actually doing well?
I don't think he's dead, but there is obviously something wrong with him, if he's not able
to just make a real photo of himself playing golf.
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"Warren Buffett Just Sent a Hidden Warning"
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But, you go ahead, and invest on the idea that Trump will strengthen the US economy.
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as good as this sounds, i would not have said something like this in public. i am not naive enough to think that there were no illegals coming into the US for 3 months. they just find another way in.
this statement will bite them in the ass.
Wall Street broke Cracker Barrel, not WOKENESS
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I don't think we have to worry about Trump trying to steal a 3rd term.
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shutting down due in part of high labor cost.
decided to close in 2022 so can't blame Trump.
Trump has almost completely collapsed foreign tourism.
That's the second point they are mentioning.
Biden only increased the minimum wage of government workers.
That's not the employees of an Ice Cream Shop.
The first cause is expensive ingredients.
1) Soaring ingredient costs. Cocoa is a key ingredient, as Kilwins sells fudge, ice cream, and sweets. Cocoa sold for $9.99 per pound when the shop opened, but now sells for $42.99 per pound.
2) Reduced food traffic. Gross sales have dropped to a quarter of what they previously were, the owner said.
3) Rising rent and labor costs. The owner said that rent has gone up, and the cost of wages has doubled.
The sharp rise in cocoa prices is primarily attributed to climate-induced production challenges and supply chain disruptions. While tariffs have contributed to the overall cost increase, they are not the main driver behind the substantial price surge.
If you can actually find a cause and effect, then you have an argument.
Like I do, with tariffs and disrupted tourism, which is Trump's doing.
What did Biden actually DO, to make the cost of wages double?
And if all the wages actually doubled, more people would have money to spend
on Ice Cream.
Ice Cream shops are having a tough business for a long time. That's true.
There are many causes for that. I'm not claiming that Trump caused them all.
You are however claiming that Biden caused them all. That's bullshit.
If Biden had raised their minimum wage and double it, you would have a point that their labor costs would have gone up. Still not doubled, because there's more to labor costs than just wages. Base wages / hourly pay is 70–85% of labor costs.
Labor typically makes up about 33–50% of total costs for U.S. ice cream shops, depending on the shop’s efficiency, wages, and business model.
If the wages double, that would increase the total cost of an ice cream shop by 25%-43%. The total costs are not the same as the total revenue, or they would make no profit.
The Gross Profit Margin of Ice cream shops generally falls between 50% to 70%. Some sources even suggest a range of 60% to 80%. Lets call it 60%. If they make the average 60% of profit and labor at 40% of total costs, they would need to only raise the prices of their products by 16.0% to make the same profit in dollars. But that's if their prices would NOT affect their sales. Sales are dependent on supply and demand.
How much the ice cream shop needs to increase their prices, is dependent on the specific supply/demand of any individual ice cream shop at a certain location. If the location is surrounded by poor people, the sales could go down a lot, if they are surrounded by rich people, it doesn't matter much. Ice cream is not a basic necessity.
There is no significant competition factor, because we are now talking about all wages increasing. The ice cream shop 1 mile down the road is paying for the same wage increases. However, one shop could be more efficient than the other.
You are still completely ignoring the economic changes that come from actual wage increases. People who see their wages double obviously would have some higher costs, because labor costs are included in the whole economy, but like I just explained, doubling hourly wages DO NOT double the prices of everything.
Increasing minimum wage mostly affects low wages. Someone making $7.50/hour would see their wages double with a minimum wage of $15/hour. Someone who made $25/hour before, would not get $50/hour then. The income distribution would shift a bit, but like you are proposing.
If an ice cream shop is in a low income area, their sales would increase massively,
if all the people's wages were doubled by increasing the minimum wage. It wouldn't matter in a rich neighborhood. I'm not rich, just above median income, but the fact that ice cream is more expensive now doesn't affect my purchases. If I want one, I get one, it's only affected by my health considerations and my self discipline.
If I would give a poor family $1000/month, their ice cream purchases might go up from $3/month to $40/month. They would be able to afford some (more) luxuries.
If I give a rich family $1000/month, their ice cream purchases wouldn't go up a cent, because they are already eating all the ice cream that they want.
I hope you learn some economics from this, because it's exhausting explaining it
all the time.
not his fault.
but I agree that declining tourism was not, THEN.
The declining tourism is Trump's fault, NOW.
Many potential tourists hate the US now and many fear getting deported
or at least getting bothered, or beaten up, by your ICE gestapo goons.
Tourists don't like border security demanding to look in their phone or laptop.
They're are all making fun of your clowns and one meme can end their vacation.
You said that you don't want them, but it's going to affect Ice Cream shops.
So stop crying about them and cut the stupidity blaming Biden. Own your FAFO!
The real terrorist just won't bring phones or laptops.
Even Abdullah from Al-Qaida is smarter than you, to understand that.
What do you think he's bringing in his ass, a nuclear bomb?
But uncle Franzl and aunty Gertrude won't be coming over from Switzerland,
to spend thousands of Francs in Las Vegas, if they are treated poorly.
People like you are the ones who let a country slide into authoritarianism,
by believing and parroting shit like that, while calling it "freedom!".
the "Ten Commandments" in every classroom
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Texas has indeed passed a law requiring the Ten Commandments to be displayed
in all public school classrooms, a clear infringement on the First Amendment.
For any teacher who doesn't like this, and hates Trump, post the next topic under it:
Trump vs. The Ten Commandments
1. “You shall have no other gods before Me”
• Trump elevates himself to a godlike, messianic figure among supporters.
2. “You shall not make for yourself an idol”
• He has fostered a cult of personality—golden statues, idol-like brand loyalty.
3. “You shall not take the Lord's name in vain”
• Frequently uses blasphemous language like “goddamn,” even in Christian settings.
4. “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy”
• Rare church attendance; consistent golf outings symbolizing secular “rest”.
5. “Honor your father and your mother”
• Critics cite ongoing disrespect toward both parents indirectly through broader behavior.
6. “You shall not murder”
• While never having personally killed anyone, he’s been linked to violent rhetoric, encouragement of police brutality, and handling of crises like COVID-19 and January 6 that contributed to deaths.
7. “You shall not commit adultery”
• Well-documented extramarital affairs, including reported encounters while his wife was pregnant.
8. “You shall not steal”
• Accusations include Trump University, charity fraud, civil fraud judgments, withheld payments, and handling of classified documents post-presidency.
9. “You shall not bear false witness”
• Numerous fact-checks cite tens of thousands of false or misleading statements made during and after his presidency.
10. “You shall not covet”
• Covets power, wealth, admiration, and even models authoritarian dictators; treats relationships as transactional.
Act like a good Christian and resist this blasphemer anyway you can.
1 thing you seem to forget, Christians are supposed to forgive. and by the way, the Bible mentions many sinners who committed the same acts as Trump is always accused of to do work of God.
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The Bible contains numerous examples of individuals whom God used despite their past or present sins. Some prominent examples include David, a king who committed adultery and murder but was forgiven and is considered a man after God's own heart, and the Apostle Paul, who initially persecuted Christians before becoming a key figure in spreading the Christian faith. Other examples include Rahab, a prostitute who helped the Israelites, and Moses, who had a speech impediment and killed an Egyptian.
Examples of Sinners Used by God:
David:
A shepherd boy who became a great king, but also committed adultery with Bathsheba and had her husband killed. Despite these sins, he is considered a man after God's own heart and a key figure in the lineage of Jesus.
Paul:
Originally named Saul, he was a persecutor of Christians before his conversion and became a leading apostle. He even referred to himself as the "chief of sinners" in one of his letters according to the Dakotas Annual Conference of The United Methodist Church.
Rahab:
A Canaanite woman who was a prostitute but sheltered two Israelite spies, and her faith led to her and her family being spared when Jericho was conquered.
Moses:
Chosen by God to lead the Israelites out of Egypt, Moses had a speech impediment and killed an Egyptian in anger.
Samson:
A judge of Israel known for his incredible strength, but also struggled with lust and anger.
Gideon:
God called him to lead the Israelites against the Midianites, but he was initially fearful and unsure.
Why God Uses Sinners:
To demonstrate God's grace:
God's willingness to use flawed individuals highlights the power of His grace and mercy.
To dismantle human pride:
By using those considered "unlikely" or flawed, God shows that success comes from Him, not human ability.
To show that no one is beyond redemption:
The stories of these individuals offer hope and demonstrate that God can work through anyone, regardless of their past.
To fulfill His purposes:
God uses all kinds of people, including those who are broken, insignificant, or have made mistakes, to accomplish His will.
the worst criminal asshole to represent you in politics.
They also forgive when the sinner repents. Trump doesn't repent, he doubles down.
He's still the same greedy, lying, hate-filled scumbag, he has always been.
What did those sinners, who God picked to do his work, DO?
Did they break their land's laws, steal food from the hungry,
steal healthcare from the sick, to further enrich the wealthy?
Is that 'God's work'?
Is it God's work, to kidnap the immigrants and put them in concentration camps?
Explain to me what part of what Trump is doing is God's work.
Trump is doing the exact opposite of EVERYTHING JESUS STANDS FOR.
If the devil chooses people to do his job, that would clearly be Trump.
"Gott mit uns" was inscribed on the belt buckles of the NAZI Wehrmacht.
You are abusing God's name in exactly the same way.
Matthew 25 (NIV):
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in,
36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink?
38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you?
39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.
42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink,
43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
- Care for the hungry/thirsty
- Clothe the poor
- Care for the sick
- Providing mental care to prisoners
- Inviting strangers in
- Treating everyone as brothers and sisters
That's doing the lord's work. Trump does the exact opposite.
Is that what Jesus supported as an ideology?
I'm an Atheist from birth. I still went to Christian schools, until 15 years of age.
I know Jesus' teachings. Forcing religion down people's throat, wasn't it.
Mark Twain once wrote "There are 2 important days in your life. One is being born. The other is finally figuring out the reason you are here" The desire of understanding the true nature of existence and how you fit into this.
As an athiest such as yourself we all developed naturally from star stuff. Nothing else exists.
I figured out the reason I am here; my parents wanted a child. Simple!
I recognize that desire. I think understanding the true nature of existence requires an open mind. That doesn't mean opening my mind to anything or anyone specifically,
I open it to what makes the most sense to me, using logical reasoning, which I’m constantly trying to train myself in. I opened my mind to many religious leaders
and apologists, they just failed spectacularly at making sense.
I'm very confident that we all developed naturally from star stuff.
There is good evidence of that.
I'm NOT confident in saying "Nothing else exists". It's impossible to prove that.
There could be a universe creating spaghetti-monster, I just see no evidence of that.
I'm not the type of Atheist that believes there is no god, I'm the type that doesn't believe there is one. That sounds the same, but it's a significant difference.
I don't believe that there is creator with a character as described in some old book, filled with factual errors and questionable morality, and if you don't believe that, you will be tortured for eternity. I could even say that that I believe there is NOT ONE of those. Reality would be totally different with such a monster in control.
All of God's creations- Earth, water, fire, Air.. Each attribute all of us possess in one form or another and need all 4 elements for survival not just for our species but for all of his creations.
The one element I haven't mentioned for our survival is the concept of time. When time started we can only speculate in our narrow field of understanding but without time we do not exist.
To me religion is nothing more than a political agenda that uses fear of damnation into conforming to its rules therefore gaining power by brainwashing with propaganda. Not going into it deeper.
Religion is one thing that is artificial. Understanding the true nature of existence? NOW we are getting somewhere..Mark Twain made a statement of truth. He did used experiences in the physical world where we are now, but for a brief instant he reached out into the spiritual world involving faith.
It's just my reason to not believe in them.
There is no evidence for pixies, unicorns, big-foot, or dragons either,
so I also see no reason to believe in those.
If God only exists in our hearts, compassion, wisdom, and faith, then is that still God, the creator of the universe, who sent his son to Earth to sacrifice himself
for our sins? What should I believe then?
No reason for any of the holy books, they got it all wrong.
Science has progressed beyond the 4 elements. There is a whole periodic table, and we understand fire to be a chemical reaction. It's all necessary for life, I agree, but where is the creator who made it all?
Is He (Gods preferred pronoun) watching, so we don't play with our pee-pee?
What you think of religion is what I agree it is for a big part now.
It used to be an effort of primitive humans to make sense of it all.
I'm not saying we do understand everything now, but all those religions have proven to be nothing more. I's not nonsense, but it's obsolete.
Powerful people have just seen how it can be used as a tool to hang on to power.
I would like to understand the true nature of existence, but I prefer not knowing everything, over filling the gap in my knowledge with unsubstantiated ideas,
to make me feel fulfilled. Honestly, if there is good reason for accepting the existence of anything supernatural, that would be incredibly interesting to me.
I just don't DO faith. Why would I want to deceive myself?
Another tool for understanding judicial knowledge is knowing when to express and when to listen. Liberals in general do more chatter creating noise when the right thing to do in that instant is to listen.
Have you ever heard the saying:
"The fools chatter while the wise man listens"? I believe they do know the truth deep down but it is diverted not by finding truth or solution, but to maintain power. The today liberal in this country uses race cards. Democrats always have expressing distain for white american middle class...They always have.
. Conservative democracy vs communist state of control using power and propaganda platform. They don't care anything about the truth. Propaganda is put out brainwashing vulnerable people including children in order to maintain power not by just "doing the right thing". Race cards, opening the border and cheating in the elections is what gave them power.. The pide piper is coming to collect... ..
You're talking to a guy who thinks that science and logic are the only possibility to approach truth. Being creative might produce art, or a good solution to a problem, but truth is reality. Religion has a whole different definition of truth, which I consider to be useless. To me, there is not even a relationship between truth and morality.
You don't have to say anything about Jesus or God, we both know what the general beliefs are. I just think that the God as presented in the Bible, is completely incompatible with a God that only lives only in our hearths or through faith. In any case, I see no reason to believe in either one. Both provide me nothing to make me understand the reality of existence any better.
For understanding politics, there is no deep understanding of truth needed. We are not dealing with highly complex people here. They have primitive desires of power and money, mixed with a tiny bit of ideology. Mostly they just picked a side, in which they invest themselves to make a career. Meanwhile, they are trading stocks with insider knowledge, and many have companies that they can give an unfair advantage with their position. The large majority of them are nepo babies, who never did a day of honest work in their lives, but they have very outspoken ideas about everyone who busts his ass every day.
When we consider liberals vs MAGA, the idea that liberals in general do more chatter, create more noise and don't listen, is a very funny joke to me. They don't listen, they tell people what to think. And when they do, they think that MAGA represents them.
Now, I do agree that most of your liberals are awful and weak, with only a few exceptions, but to me MAGA is an ignorant, racist, death-cult. Every principle that conservatives have ever vocalized, was dropped for Trump: Family values, Law and order, Fiscal responsibility, Small government, Free markets, Personal responsibility, Respect for institutions, Patriotism grounded in civic duty, International leadership, Civility in discourse. What remains is only loyalty to Trump. That is NOT democracy.
I asked you before, what Trump could do to make you regret your support.
Really that boils down to, what principles has he not betrayed yet, that you hold dear? Or is it not about principles but about actions for you? Maybe even not that, but you are just looking around, asking yourself: "Am I better off now, than before Trump came into office"?
I know exactly what I want my representatives to do, because my party has very specific principles and goals. Other than that, I want them to be honest and outstanding citizens. Betray any of it, and they lose my support immediately.
Can you say the same?
To describe faith to me in words you can't put down in words. What I do know is that 5785 years ago in a villiage known as UR in the land currently occupied by Iraq a man known as Abraham was born Abraham originally Abram is the common Hebrew patriarch of the Abrahamic religions, including Judaism, Christianity, and Islam..
Well what do you know about that? All 3 orchestrated one religion. Yet 2 of them diverted into what we now know as political parties.
The art of politics if you want to call it that is designed to divert from the truth in order to gain power. Abraham's parents were Terah and Amathlai. This is when Torah started although it is said in history Moses wrote Torah bu way of receiving the 10 commandments and converted them into text around 1299 BC from the God of Abraham.
So if this is true then how did Jesus Christ who was a prophet and scholar of Torah be the son of God? In Torah there is not just one messiah but rather all of God's creations are,,, air water, fire, earth. not everything of torah is mentioned,,, then it changes course with Jesus Christ being the son of God.. In short the one pure truth of existentialism-- the study of pantheism should be interesting and I consider with credentials..
For you to say MAGA is a death-cult trying to be objective as I can I don't see any path whatsoever that leads to your conclusion.. It's like the devil saying you're the devil..
I never discussed democracy with you on its meanings. All I was saying is that if you have a group of people who are egoistic and uneducated cannot form democracy. I did not go into that part because I understand materialism and logic is the tools you use in order to find your conslusions so it's futile of me attempting to debate this with you.
Yes the sovereignty of the United states is preserved with Trump in office. I go by prices of fuel and at the grocery store. Keeping men out of men's sports and not aborting babies up until the day of birth I agree..Also he greatly diluted inflation from 9% down to below 2% based on the value of our currency. He has never lied to us. of course you say he did but from day one I built a bond with trust. What he did wrong in the fist term was choose his inexperience in picking his cabinet including the FBI and DOJ unwisely. His attorny general was weak .. He did NOT fufil his promises well not all of them in the first term but I consider it was not his fault/ he made the choice of not filing charges of Hilliary Clintion and that lead to the phony russian collusion dossier that cost the taxpayer billions and quite possibly the 2020 election... His cabinet betrayed him especially the day after the 2020 election.. So there is a difference between promising something and because of mitigation unable to accomplish goals. circumstances unable to fufil.. I forgave him immeediately. This time his power continues to get stronger with his approval ratings going up every day. The democrates are out of ideas and are abandoning their posts. They AWOL'd texas and paid the price of losing 5 to 20 seats automatically.. He has executive power but because of blunders his opposition continues to do he's solid in Judicial with the supreme court, executive and now legislative. They will follow through with prosecutions once Pam Bondi is prepared to bring her evidence infront of the grand jury which by the way is in the Red state of Florida.
“What I do understand about how you feel that logic and materialism defines justice. Nothing more or less.”
A strange way to put it. How I define justice is purely based on how I want humans to interact with each other, because I’m part of that interaction.
It requires logic to formulate principles and laws from that basis. You can call that “materialism” if you want, because it’s definitely not based on anything supernatural.
Thinking that logic is limited to mathematics is 1 dimensional. There is logic to everything in the universe.
If there was a creator, would he/she/it/they be logical? If an illogical creator would create a universe, would it be a logical universe?
“You believe materialism defines justice.” NO, as I said, my preferences for human interaction defines what I consider justice. A universe without life is materialistic, but has no justice. Without thinking beings, justice doesn't exist. I'm not saying that universe would be IMmoral, I'm saying it would be Amoral.
“Eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth. Revenge to you means justice..” Absolutely NOT! That’s a right-wing principle, I’m a far left, democratic socialist, social-liberal. Justice is based on intent and circumstances, as well as result.
“Every single word I say has its value exactly how its said word by word”
Yeah sure, make some actual sense first, before calling yourself a “stable genius”.
I can describe ‘faith’ in words: "Faith is the excuse people give when they're either unaware of the reason for their belief, unable to articulate the reason for their belief or unwilling to subject the belief and its supposed justifications to critical examination".
The devil? Do you actually believe in the devil, as an entity, or just as a concept of evil? I would say that there is a whole lot more evidence of the devil, than for a god. Here’s an idea, maybe the devil invented religion. That could be a concept that I could convince myself is true.
To understand why I call MAGA a death-cult, we first have to agree what a cult is. This is the definition: “A system of religious veneration and devotion directed towards a particular figure or object.”. I call MAGA the cult of Trump, because the support of his followers is mostly based on his character, not on his political principles and plans, mostly because Trump doesn’t clearly communicate any principles or plans. Whatever he says, MAGA will like it, even if it’s the opposite of something he said before. No matter how hateful he behaves, MAGA will cheer for it. No matter how stupid he incriminates himself, with his own words, MAGA will deny it. No matter how high inflation will go up, or how expensive groceries will become, MAGA will both blame Biden and understand Trump caused it, but it was necessary. Even if Trump is going to openly say that he’s pardoning Ghislaine Maxwell, so she will be silent about him, but will accuse Democrats, MAGA is going to support it. Whatever Trump says, MAGA will parrot it. MAGA will disown and unfriend anyone who disagrees with them. Former MAGA who cannot take the bullshit anymore, turn into enemies immediately. THAT’S A CULT.
Why is it a death-cult, because of the hate and violence. Thousands of MAGA were willing to attack ‘the blue’ for him. They were prepared to kill and die for him, if Trump had even hinted at doing so.
There is truth to your idea that democracy requires eeducated voters. That’s why education is one of my highest priorities. I want it to be of the highest quality, affordable for everyone, teaching science and critical thinking skills. MAGA wants to gut education and turn schools into Christo-fascist training camps. Beside just enough English and calculus to be good working drones, MAGA wants children to grow up to soldiers for the dictator.
Do you want sovereignty? Sovereignty just means “the power of a country to control its own government”. When did you not have that ever in the past. Then, I saw Elon Musk control the government, without any control or oversight. You lot just trusted it would be OK.
“Keeping men out of men's sports” Sure, bud!
“not aborting babies up until the day of birth” which doesn’t happen, and no one supports, unless the fetus died.
Your numbers on inflation are bullshit. That’s you lying, for Trump. The value of the dollar has been weakening against a range of other major currencies in 2025. In any case, you’re correct that he has filled his administration with absolute sycophants. In his first administration he picked some people who could think for themselves, big mistake. His cabinet betrayed him, because he was a fucking traitor, and they either still had some principles or they were just not ready to sacrifice their nice comfortable life for him. They were obviously not CULTISH enough for you.
I agree that the Democrats haven’t been visible enough, but them leaving Texas is in PROTEST over Republicans planning to stack the next election in their favor. It’s something. I want them to throw a fucking scene every fucking day, but at least they did something. Yes, he does have “executive power” and he using it constantly for everything, while calling everything an emergency. Your side accused Obama of abusing his “executive power”, but now that Trump is doing nothing but, you love it. Oh yeah, when will Pam Bondi be “prepared” to bring her evidence? When she is done preparing your brains to consider a blank page with word evidence on it, evidence.
Since you think there is any ‘truth’ besides what is logical and supported by evidence, your brain is capable of believing everything that you want to believe. You said it clearly, to find truth, you need to be creative.
Can you explain what the difference is with making up shit, and then convincing yourself that it’s true?
When you have explained that, can you tell me how that ‘truth’ helps you to understand justice?
How about I convince myself of the ‘truth’ that the devil created religion? Creative enough? Will it help me understand justice?
You are taking my words and spinning them. You appear to be intelligent but you show evidsence od being ignorant and judgemental, stubborn and unpersuated. You are very skilled when it comes to divergence. I do believe you know the truth but you continue to divert from it. This is politics.
As I have said before,, politics and religion are synomous. Their purpose insisting on conformity is extreme either using hatred or terror. They create smoke screens with abuse of platorms then use that to perform abuse of power.
Piety, Justice, moral clarity, simplicity. The only way of understanding what is real,,,,,,,, and what is NOT real.
You've said you are athiest, and you spread hate for groups of people that voted for a man 93 million fold and you say this group in of a cult...Its fine, but I disagree and there is no evidence that shows these people are controlled by evil.. I call it choice. They made their choice and I made my choice.. You've made your choice. It is what it is.
My questions in life are not "how do I gain power and money"? My questions are "what do I have to do in order to learn from my experiences the right way in order to being a better person? The answers I'm getting over and over is to make things simple.
I said inflation has diminished from 9% down to below 2%, You said is bullshit.. No its not bullshit,,, as they say in ragged terms,,, I shit you not..
"Socrates' philosophy revolved around the concept of virtue as knowledge and the importance of self-examination to live a good life." OK, to say that your constitution is based on that is not wrong, but there's many steps in between, of which liberalism is one of the last.
Give some actual examples of me spinning your words.
At least I'm reacting to your claims. Are you reacting to mine?
If you call me ignorant, show me what FACTS I'm ignorant about.
You cannot call me ignorant for not understanding you. You are not a subject of general knowledge.
Judgemental, stubborn? Maybe. You could change my mind though. I just don't respond to persuasion. I only respond to logical argumentation, based on facts and principles that I either already agree with or you can convince me of.
I am indeed very much unpersuaded.
Piety? I don't give a fuck about it.
"Justice, moral clarity, simplicity" are the end result of a logical process, not the beginning. We can have a discussion on what results in justice or moral clarity, but just claiming to have it, that's ignorant, judgemental and stubborn. Simplicity is the enemy of nuance.
How is me being atheist related to not liking Trump voters?
You call that spreading hate? Show me that it's WRONG!
YOU ARE my evidence! Most of what I accused MAGA of, applies to you.
I'm not saying that you or most Trump voters are bad, but you follow a bad man, and you parrot his lies. Inflation in the US was at 3.0% in January 2025, it is now at 2.7%. It has not been below 2% since 2019. The annual inflation rate fell below 9% in July 2022, and kept going down, until Trump reversed the trend. Without any context, inflation rates are completely useless. Sure, 9% is too high. What caused it? Why did it go down again? You just spout some numbers and think it makes any sense. That's not giving an appearance of intelligence.
Politics shouldn't be about grabbing power and using religion to your advantage. If that is your observation of the US, you do not live in a democracy. Politics should be the process of representing the principles and wishes of their constituents, working towards the promises they made to them and working to implement the plans they communicated with them, before the election. I want them to do that transparently and enthusiastically. I don't like them to use dirty tricks, but I do want them to do their absolute best, while we, their constituents, support them with peaceful activism. That's what I get from my party, every single day.
If you don't see that from Trump or his party, why do you support them?
I agree, a life based on gaining power and money, is hollow and selfish.
If that is your life goal, you will never be fulfilled. It will never be enough.
Knowledge is a good life goal, but it is also hollow and selfish, unless you use it for something good. Now here is the real question: what does it mean to do good?
I don't agree that making things simple is the method for learning from your experiences. The world is NOT simple. To understand the world, requires understanding lots of complex patterns. It requires knowledge on lots of subjects. It requires a brain full of "thinking tools". If your brain only has
a hammer, everything you see is nails.
Intuition Pumps And Other Tools for Thinking by Daniel C. Dennett.
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Therefore the constitution was written based on platonic socratic philosophy in terms how the country can unite in order to perform a more perfect union..
Here are several sources that agree with me. Now show me yours.
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Some do mention Plato, but there's millennia of philosophy developing liberalism, which is the source of The Constitution, that you're just sweeping aside.
Are you telling me that there was no liberalism before the Democratic party?
The early Republicans could be described as more “liberal” than early Democrats.
Are you just one of those idiots who call Democrats "liberals, socialists, communists, Marxists", without understanding the huge differences between those 4 ideologies? Is that the basis of your understanding of the term "liberalism"?
It's not my problem, if you don't understand what liberalism is.
It's not hard to find. Wiki will tell you: "Liberalism is a political and moral philosophy based on the rights of the individual, liberty, consent of the governed, political equality, the right to private property, and equality before the law."
"Liberalism's origins can be traced back to the Enlightenment era, with its roots in the intellectual and political shifts of the 17th and 18th centuries. It emerged as a distinct ideology challenging traditional forms of authority, particularly absolute monarchy and the established church, emphasizing individual liberty, limited government, and free markets."
"The concept of liberal democracy, as it is understood today, developed in the late 18th and early 19th centuries, with the American and French Revolutions playing a key role in its emergence. While the term "liberal democracy" itself wasn't coined until the mid-1860s in France, the ideas and principles that define it took root earlier."
Meanwhile, you are calling "politics and religion are synomous". Where is the "enlightenment" part. You are turning back the clock hundreds of years.
When you say: "politics and religion are synomous", why are you surprised that I call MAGA a cult? The thinking behind that statement is exactly what I'm pointing out as the problem. They are synomous TO YOU, not to me.
You can use different terms but has the same idea. Everything to democrats do is to promote anti-constitution format to bring back socialism.
You need to go back and study,,Politics and religion are synomous because they invoke propaganda.
Whether you understand or not is not my proplem either.
My conclusions are what they are with methods you do not understand because they involve faith, stoicism realizing the only way we are going to survive and grow is with our pledge of allegence to our flag "One nation, under God indivisable with liberty and justice for all. Not just the ones that can afford high priced lawyers.
What did the Democrats do that is unconstitutional? Which parts?
Bring back socialism? The US never had it.
The Democrats don't support socialism. When they had the power
to nationalize healthcare, they created a private system of health insurances, not even a public option. They also didn't expand public education. They have not supported any socialist policy, in decades, except for a small minority of Democrats. The rest are corporate shills.
You insult me by calling them socialists.
A Stoic wouldn't vote for Trump. A stoic values self-control.
Trump explodes into madness every dingle day.
Just because both politics and religion use propaganda, doesn't mean they are synonymous, it just means that they share a characteristic. Politics is the proces of making collective decisions. You cannot organize a country without it. However, I want religion as far away as possible from making collective decisions, to organize the country. You calling them synonymous is in direct conflict with your First Amendment.
What does "liberty" mean to you? Does it mean that your vote counts just as much as the vote of a black man, in a black county, in Texas?
"liberty and justice for all"? How about for ICE detainees?
Ok, so everyone thinks I'm stupid so lets analyze this.. Since 2015 why have I been right on every single thing the democrats have persecuted this man only to find out it was a hoax? A political takedown. To bankrupt him, and to murder him. I am not so smart but intelligence has nothing to do with it. Not ONE time have I ever been wrong with Donald Trump being the greatest leader I have ever seen in my life.
So with that said, I have proven this to you yet you ignore my assertions of who is right and who is wrong, what is true. I can give the evidence right in front of your face and you'd still ask where is the evidence? No evidence.
I'm not upset with you personally. Trump derrangement syndrom is impenitrable, Whether you believe me or not I'm still going to preach the truth even if this entire sight says I'm wrong or stupid or fascist.. Whatever anyother names you want to call me. My whole family said he is a money grubbing liar, cheat, crook.. I had the courage to stand up to all of them and to you by saying. NO YOU ARE ALL WRONG.
Now 9 years since I stood up to ignorance over 80 million americans believed me finally.. Billions of others sitting in their homes feeling secure knowing he has stopped 3 wars and is just about to stop a 4th. Russians posted on youtube sharing their happiness and feeling proud of americans that have made the biggest choice in its history. Afterall, Putin risked being arrested as a war criminal in Alaska meeting with Trump. He even refused to even talk to Biden at all. Yet he went out of his way to come to Alaska and warmly invited this man I am so proud of to represent the united states traveling to Russia in token of friendship and partners in business. Russia needs some of our resources and we need some of theirs. The tariffs will remain in place as long as they charge us tariffs. America really can survive without trading since its land has more oil than canada and the middle east. We are in no hurry but its now time we stopped wiping europe's ass with taxpayer funds paying for their education or healthcare... Its over !
I will ignore everything else you said for now, and just tell you a story. It’s not about attacking you, but I want you to hear a story “from the other side” of conflicts like yours.
You remind me of my brother-in-law. During Covid, he turned full conspiracy theorist. He predicted full government authoritarianism and the deaths of everyone who took the vaccine. There was no possibility to have a discussion with him, without him completely going ballistic. Every time he started an argument and when I obliterated it with scientific knowledge, or just plain logic, he stopped the discussion. Finally, we agreed that we wouldn’t talk about those subjects anymore. That worked all throughout the Covid crisis. He recovered from some of his crazy ideas and he cut ties with some of his conspiracy theorist friends, because he recognized how dangerously crazy they were. However, his mind was still pretty much permanently cooked. He had changed to an absolute narcissist, maybe even borderline. Unrelated to his belief in conspiracy theories, he became impossible to deal with. He had several relationships with women that each ended in big drama, kids who were previously forced to be siblings were pulled apart again, he had a violent disagreement with another sister (not my girlfriend), he lost all his previous friends, he had created a big tax-debt that lost him his house, and he had fights with his ex, who he has a son with. The son has had a very tough life, switching from a stepmother with a surrogate brother, to another temp with 5 kids, losing his home, living with a new mother with two new sisters, one with ADHD, in a cramped apartment, and a father who turned into a tyrant. We all saw that his son was suffering from PTSD, and his father handled it exactly in the opposite way that he should have. He blamed his son for not accepting his new ‘mother’. The stupid ass couldn’t understand that the kid was suffering from fear of commitment, because his father kept messing up his life every time. I did talk with him. I did try to make him understand that his life had been pretty hard the last years. He half understood, but he also told me how hard it had been on him, that it wasn’t his fault and that his son should accept his new situation, and that it is now all better and stable. He told me “I have tried talking with him, but he just doesn’t tell me what’s wrong with him.”. I’ve seen him talking TO his son, in high volume, with the kid looking terrified. Of course, the kid won’t open up to him. In any case, that was the best I could do, because we didn’t see them often. At least it didn’t turn into a fight, and I hoped he would think about it. I guess he didn’t, because months later, we heard from my mother-in-law, that his son told his father that he didn’t want to spend that weekend with him, and his mother told him the kid had a burnout, and then he went crazy and told his son that he wasn’t welcome at all anymore. He also informed us about that through WhatsApp. Then it was radio silence, didn’t speak to anyone, for months. His mother, my mother-in-law, wouldn’t however accept that she had lost a grandson. So, she contacted his ex to have a day with him, we joined in. My girlfriend wanted to see her nephew too. The kid was completely different. Instead of silent and sequestered he was loud and unruly. I think it was still related to his PTSD. We still managed to have a nice day together. He also told us that his father hadn’t called him, but they saw each other in the city centre, and they had sat down together for a while. That was one encounter in many months. After that day, he had sent his father a photo of the four of us together. We didn’t know that, but we learned about it, from one very angry WhatsApp message, in which he cancelled ties with everyone permanently. We answered him with an explanation, not an excuse, and told him that we agreed with the separation. We haven’t heard from him since. We also don’t see his son anymore, because his ex-wife (they were married for less than 2 years) has created a new family and she keeps him out of contact. Divorcing her was probably not his biggest mistake ever, but he keeps making commitments too easy, one after another, after another. He also has switched jobs more than most people switch shirts.
He’s not dumb and he has two right hands, but he always makes trouble. Every time he had some conflict with a boss, often over money. He tried self-employment several times, but it ended in conflicts with clients and partners and the government. He has periods of making lots of money and then spending way too much of it, ending up broke. If you would talk with him, I’m sure he will blame everyone for all his problems. Also, he sounds a lot like you, relating to his world view.
His father was an authoritarian. I have experienced him only a few years, of the 25+ years I am with my girlfriend. When I met her, she had escaped her parents a year back and she was living on her own. Her siblings also had periods of not being in contact with their parents. Her mother was under the thumb of her father their whole marriage. Her father died about 8 years ago. Since then, her mother has discovered a new life. We have a good relationship with her now. She feels like my second mother.
In my family, we never had any of these issues. My father is a kind, patient, wise man. I’ve only seen him angry a few times in my life. My brother and I had lots of quarrels when we were young, but we always made up within the hour. We have a good relationship, although I don’t see him often, because he has been renovating his house for the past 4 years, he has 3 self employed jobs, a son together with his girlfriend, with a second son on the way. In my family, we don’t argue over politics. We might not agree 100%, but we agree on facts and there is logic to our opinions. We ask each other for advice, and then not force our opinion on each other, but what fits the other’s character. Our parents taught us to be careful, but don’t be afraid to take big steps. First and foremost, they taught us to be independent thinkers and to live our lives how we see fit, instead of what people might expect of us. I think that fits the term stoic pretty well.
I’ll answer the rest of your comments, when I have time for it.
"Plato’s writings, including anything that might be called a “book of Socratic law”, were not a direct, primary inspiration for the U.S. Constitution in the way that, say, John Locke’s "Two Treatises of Government" or Montesquieu’s
"The Spirit of Laws" were."
"John Locke is widely considered one of the foundational figures of liberalism."
"Montesquieu is often considered a father of liberalism. His ideas, especially on the separation of powers (trias politica) and the fight against despotism, have had a significant influence on the development of liberal thought."
Some experts, officials, and members of Congress contended that Clinton's use of a private email system and a private server violated federal law, specifically 18 U.S. Code § 1924, regarding the unauthorized removal and retention of classified documents or materials, as well as State Department protocols and procedures, and regulations governing recordkeeping. Clinton claimed that her use complied with federal laws and State Department regulations, and that former secretaries of state had also maintained personal email accounts (however Clinton was the only secretary of state to use a private server)
Something like the above paragraph shows probable cause, the fact that she admitted to keep classified documents on her server and when served with a subpoena she immediately destroyed her cell phones and acid washed her server destroying the evidence of over 33000 emails leaving them untracable.
It is in conclusion that she kept classified documents on her server providing information to sell for a price. This is called treason.
Liberals of this country say Donald Trump committed felonies and is a criminal. Then how could he have run for president since a felon cannot run for office yet get elected?
Are you starting to see patterns? 78 million people knew it was a political takedown supporting a candidate that didn't even win 1 delegate in the primary election including myself.
Why do I see it differently than liberals? I get information by listening and through empathic means go into a persons heart through reason and understanding their sincerity or lack of. AFTER Trump won the 2016 election rather than trying to unify bringing the american people together as a nation she purposely divided a nation with the leadership of Obama recruiting the CIA, FBI and the MEDIA to bring down a duely elected American President by underminding the american people.
You can say there is no evidence especially before the 2024 election but now after classified documents were unclassified and shared with the world its kind of heard to convince people this movement is baseless anymore.
I'm willing to spend the time on it, but I'm not accepting this as a one-sided thing.
It's time to go to bed, right now for me.
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I presented lots of evidence, in separate chains, so you can separately react to them. Your turn.
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I asked ChatGPT. It bases all the information on publicly available legal records, which you and I can easily check. I'm sure you will accuse ChatGPT of a bias, so, it's your job to make a case what's the bias here.
Here’s a compact, fact-checked “starter” dossier focused only on alleged crimes tied to efforts to overturn the 2020 election (federal + key state cases). It’s trimmed for quick review; if you want the longer, fully itemized version, say the word and I’ll expand it.
Alleged laws broken (what they are + how prosecutors say they were violated)
1. Conspiracy to defraud the United States (18 U.S.C. §371)
Prosecutors allege a multi-state scheme to use knowingly false fraud claims, fake elector certificates, and pressure on officials to block the lawful counting of electoral votes. (justice.gov, Congress.gov)
2. Obstruction of an official proceeding & conspiracy to obstruct (18 U.S.C. §1512(c)(2), §1512(k))
Alleged efforts to halt/impair Congress’s Jan. 6, 2021 Electoral College certification via false elector slates and pressure on the Vice President. (justice.gov, Congress.gov)
3. Conspiracy against rights (interference with the right to vote and have one’s vote counted) (18 U.S.C. §241)
Prosecutors say the scheme aimed to discard/alter lawful votes and the certified results. (justice.gov)
4. Georgia RICO (O.C.G.A. §16-14-4) + related Georgia offenses (solicitation to violate oath, false statements, filing false documents, computer crimes tied to Coffee County breach)
A charged enterprise to overturn Georgia’s results through pressure, false statements, fake elector paperwork, and accessing election systems. (Some co-defendants have pled guilty to lesser counts.) (fultonclerk.org, Wikipedia)
5. State “fake elector” crimes (examples)
o Arizona: conspiracy, forgery, fraudulent schemes/practices linked to signing and submitting false elector certificates (Trump listed as “Unindicted Coconspirator 1”). (azag.gov, AZ Luminaria)
o Nevada: offering a false instrument for filing; uttering a forged instrument, for submitting false elector certificates. (ag.nv.gov)
o Michigan: forgery/uttering-and-publishing/false documents by those who signed and transmitted fake elector certificates. (michigan.gov, States United Democracy Center)
Status note: These are allegations unless otherwise noted; some defendants have entered guilty pleas in Georgia to misdemeanor offenses connected to the broader scheme. (Wikipedia)
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Key evidence (what it is, how it was obtained, why it matters)
• Federal indictment narrative + exhibits (Aug. 1, 2023): Charged conduct, overt acts, and alleged use of knowingly false claims; compiled by grand jury investigation (subpoenas, testimony, records). Core federal roadmap. (justice.gov)
• “Fake elector” certificates & transmittal packets (7 states): Physical/mailed documents and related correspondence received by the National Archives; show slates falsely purporting to be duly chosen electors for Trump. Obtained via agency records and FOIA releases. (National Archives, Just Security)
• Eastman memos (“Jan. 6 scenario” plans): Internal legal memoranda outlining ways for the Vice President to reject/delay counting. Leaked/produced in litigation and congressional investigations; later cited in disciplinary findings. Evidence of intent/knowledge of fringe theory. (cdn.cnn.com, cacd.uscourts.gov, States United Democracy Center)
• Trump–Raffensperger call (Jan. 2, 2021): Recorded phone call by Georgia officials; audio/transcript published, used by investigators. Shows direct pressure on GA to “find” votes. (The Washington Post, Wikipedia, States United Democracy Center)
• Georgia indictment & Coffee County evidence: Grand jury presentment referencing alleged unauthorized access to voting systems; mix of digital forensics, texts/emails, and witness testimony gathered by state investigators. (fultonclerk.org, AP News)
• State fake-elector indictments/affidavits (AZ, NV, MI): Charging docs and sworn affidavits detail signing/filing processes, meeting logistics, and delivery to federal/state offices; obtained via subpoenas, interviews, and document seizures/productions. (azag.gov, ag.nv.gov, michigan.gov)
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Notable witnesses / cooperating figures (who they are, how tied in, what they’ve provided)
• State election officials (e.g., Brad Raffensperger + staff): Targets of pressure; provided recordings, contemporaneous notes, and testimony about false claims and requests to alter outcomes. (The Washington Post, Wikipedia)
• Fake electors & organizers (various states): Signatories/participants in meetings and transmittals; their statements, emails, and documents establish planning and submission of false certificates. (Multiple indicted in AZ/NV/MI; civil admissions in WI settlement.) (azag.gov, ag.nv.gov, States United Democracy Center, AP News)
• Trump-allied lawyers (e.g., John Eastman, Sidney Powell, Kenneth Chesebro): Architects of legal/operational plans (VP strategy, Coffee County tech breach, alternate electors). Materials include memos, emails, court filings, and—in Georgia—guilty pleas/cooperation obligations for Powell/Chesebro. (cdn.cnn.com, States United Democracy Center, Wikipedia)
• Department of Justice/White House insiders (as reflected in federal indictment narrative): Witness testimony and records about attempts to use DOJ to advance false claims and pressure the VP/Congress. (justice.gov)
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Quick cross-reference (by theme → law → anchor proof)
• Fake electors plan → §371/§1512; state forgery/false filing → NARA document sets; state indictments; Eastman/Chesebro memos. (National Archives, azag.gov, ag.nv.gov, michigan.gov, cdn.cnn.com)
• Pressure on GA officials → §371/§241; GA solicitation/false statements → Raffensperger call audio + GA indictment. (The Washington Post, fultonclerk.org)
• Pressure on VP/Congress → §1512 (obstruction) → Eastman memos; federal indictment narrative. (cdn.cnn.com, justice.gov)
• Coffee County system access → GA RICO/comp-crime counts → GA indictment; related reporting and plea outcomes. (fultonclerk.org, Wikipedia)
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What I trimmed (can add on request)
• Full charge lists/counts for every Georgia defendant; detailed timelines for each battleground state; additional witness rosters (Congressional aides, state legislators, Pence staff); granular digital-forensics findings from Coffee County; and post-indictment procedural history (immunity rulings, motions). Sources exist and can be appended with citations.
If this hits the right level, I’ll expand next into a state-by-state matrix (charges → key actors → exhibits/evidence → witness list) with live citations to the charging documents and public records.
at least with a religion in place, there was some law and order so to speak, folks were taught not to kill,not to steal,not to steal each others wives, without religion, there would be alot more of it even today.
of Trump's efforts to steal the election?
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